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The family should have an opportunity to seek a second opinion from another facility. Why should they believe a hospital that botched a routine tonsillectomy? I've read too many stories about supposedly dead people reviving in mortuaries to believe that doctors are infallible when it comes to determining who is dead.

why can't the people at the hospital understand that the family would be more accepting of their daughter's death if they knew doctors had tried to revive her instead or quickly writing her off as dead.

1 posted on 01/05/2014 2:15:51 AM PST by kathsua
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"Under the agreement, Jahi’s mother, Nailah Winkfield, is “wholly and exclusively responsible for Jahi McMath the moment custody is transferred in the hospital’s pediatric intensive care unit and acknowledge(s) that she understands that the transfer and subsequent transport could pact the condition of the body, including causing cardiac arrest.”

Nothing like instilling a little fear into the family.

You know ... I AM the big dog hospital, and I know best, and if you take her away from ME ... wellll ... I can just tell you WHAT !

2 posted on 01/05/2014 2:39:54 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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This was far from routine tonsillectomy and there have already been 5 or 6 different docs say the same thing. Three of the doctors were brought in by the family. After all of that they went doctor shopping and found this one who said the things they want to hear. They went to him because he is well published saying that brain dead is never completely dead. I feel sorry for them but this girl is dead. Let her go. What would happen if everyone they find to be brain dead was kept alive on machines? How long would it go on and for how many? It could go on for years for thousands of them. The coroner has issued a death certificate so you know that if there is insurance it is no longer paying for this venture. We the people, the working people are going to get stuck with it.

Just because we have the ability to keep her breathing and her heart beating with machines does not mean she is alive and it does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

3 posted on 01/05/2014 2:49:25 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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It was NOT a routine surgery. Please refer to the three or four other article posts for more information.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 3:33:53 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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why can't people at the hospital understand....

They understand perfectly. To them, that girl is either a live body or a dead body that they control, and the parents have lost all rights to get her back. They would want to be in control and would go to the courts if they decided she's alive and the parents wanted to take her home.

In my mind, whether this girl is alive or dead shouldn't even be part of the discussion. The issue is that the parents should always have the right to take their child home from the hospital. What's being tested here is death panels, and if the hospitals start getting away with this stuff, a lot more people will be declared dead and families will lose all ability to control the situation.

A wealthier more connected family would never be the one to challenge the hospital's playing God. I suspect that in those cases the family would more likely be part of the decision making process. My prayers are with this family, for supporting life, and saying they hospital doesn't get to say who will live and who will die.

6 posted on 01/05/2014 3:55:49 AM PST by grania
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There might still be something underhanded going on right now—an effort to delay feeding her until starvation starts causing organ damage, making recovery increasingly less likely.

After three weeks of starvation, she is likely looking starved, her liver and kidneys are severely stressed, and her heart is at risk.


13 posted on 01/05/2014 5:52:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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quickly writing her off as dead? The hospital has been ventilating a corpse for almost a month.....

As for a botched tonsillectomy she did not have a tonsillectomy, she had a much larger procedure called a UPPP. The hospital cannot “botch” anything, its a building. It would be a doctor or nursing staff that did the botching, if there was any, which has not been proven

However, the hospital administration is absorbing a huge bill that will not be paid by family or insurance for every day they are forced to continue the charade.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 5:58:14 AM PST by Mom MD
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Routine tonsillectomy, there is no such thing. Especially on an obese child with obstructive sleep apnea. People need to read the pre-op consent. I’m sure it mentions brain damage and death. Any surgery on the airway is high risk. Hospitals promote themselves as spa’s while they are dangerous places that should be avoided. Her post-op care may have been negligent, but a post-op bleeding tonsil cause me anxiety when I get to take of one. Too bad this poor child was the one in 500,000 that do die from routine surgery.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 6:29:19 AM PST by Babba Gi
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This week, a nationally-respected pediatrician said that Jahi McMath, who is at the center of a national debate about whether she should remain on life support, is not “brain dead” and can recover with proper care and nutrition.

Missing from the article is the fact that Dr. Byrne has not actually examined McMath. Of course, he doesn't need to examine her. As well as being an outspoken opponent of posthumous organ donation, The "nationally-respected" Dr. Paul A. Byrne doesn't believe in the concept of brain death calling it anti-Catholic propaganda.

21 posted on 01/05/2014 7:07:37 AM PST by Drew68
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"Hospital agrees to let family......"

Those words say much to me, we have given up any and all parental rights to government and now to hospital officials.

I know lawyers and their greedy clients have wrought much of what is now expected, our children are not our own but are wards of the State!

Whether children are "allowed" to live, die, be treated or given medical treatment against our will and/or our religious beliefs, is up to the State, not up to the parents (looking to others to pick up the expenses, also have brought us to where we now find ourselves,)

22 posted on 01/05/2014 7:13:02 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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