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Hands Off My Cell Phone!
Townhall.com ^ | April 30, 2014 | Bob Barr

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Mouton

Where were you?


21 posted on 04/30/2014 9:24:25 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Kaslin

bkmk


22 posted on 04/30/2014 9:40:13 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Kaslin

an arrest with dropped charges will destroy a life.

arrests without a conviction or some form of sentence should not be public record.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 9:57:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: JoeProBono

Is Tracphone suitable for an adolescent, for controlling costs?


24 posted on 04/30/2014 10:23:16 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Hulka

“The NDAA makes very clear US citizens are not subject to the abuses some allege. It can’t be any clearer than that.”

Sounds to me like you’ve already done the extensive research. I wonder what the source of confusion is. If/when I know I’ll pass it on to you.

Thanks for taking the time on this. MC


25 posted on 04/30/2014 10:38:52 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Kaslin

Same basic argument I posted previously about government listening to private conversations. The issue is not an inverted and unarticulated “right to privacy” as much as it is the articulated 4th Amendment “right to be secure” from unreasonable government intrusion. The two rights sound about the same, but the critical difference is “the right to privacy” is construed as something the government has a right to enforce (thus giving government power over “privacy rights” of individuals), whereas “the right to be secure” is a clear prohibition from wrongful government interference of individuals. The 4th Amendment “right to be secure” is pointed at limiting government, not giving it more enforcement rights as construed with “right to privacy.”


26 posted on 04/30/2014 10:56:16 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Kaslin
I don't know how they'll rule on cellphones, but here's a recent interview with Scalia regarding about government listening in general (in reference to the NSA, but it could also apply here).

Scalia: Governmental listening to private conversations does not apply to the persons, houses, papers, and effects protected from unreasonable searches and seizures by the 4th Amendment. So Scalia is saying that government doesn’t have to have to show any particular reason, certainly not a probable-cause reason, to listen in on private conversations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0utJAu_iG4&app=desktop

Me: Not sure I agree with that. Here is where I think Scalia is weak and conflicts, IMO, with the original-intent approach of constitutional scholar Judge Robert Bork – when Scalia uses the letter of the text to trump original intent. If original intent and understanding may be reasonably suspected to conflict with the text per se, especially in the current usage of the word(s), a good-faith effort should be made to uncover original intent and understanding. Here, that effort might very well show that something in persons, houses, papers, or effects that may have in fact included governmental listening to private conversations.

Examples:

• secure in your “houses” could certainly include wiretapping
• secure in your “papers” or “effects” may very well have been intended to include private communications.

IMO, the Constitutional issue in government listening (NSA and elsewhere) is not the level of threat, but whether the government has probable cause and whether a warrant would be required (usually required for a house search).

27 posted on 04/30/2014 10:56:43 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: B4Ranch

Nassau County, Florida


28 posted on 04/30/2014 11:09:50 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: AlanSC

“There will be a checkpoint and they may ask you if you have any drugs but what they really want is for you to pull a u-turn”

My comment was meant to convey why do they have any check points? Why if they do have them don’t they have them for say “citizenship check”. Or, how about they decide to have a “rape check point or Kidnap check point” so they can check to be sure everyone in the car is there of their own accord? Our police state has gone too far and yet not in the right directions IMO.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 11:14:14 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Kaslin

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 
 

Can NO one read and understand simple English any more?

30 posted on 04/30/2014 11:34:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: factoryrat
Instant erasure of any data.

Sorry; but you haven't hurt the MEMORY chip(s) at all with this method.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 11:38:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

No different than cops insisting after they pull you over; that they can travel to your home; go inside, and search a paper address book.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 11:39:28 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: tbw2
Is Tracphone suitable for an adolescent, for controlling costs?

Sure; but it won't CONTROL petulance or pouting.

33 posted on 04/30/2014 11:39:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hulka

FBI Arrest Statistics: 1994-2010

I find it interesting that arrests are not identified by race nor number of repeat offenders. I have a feeling that 10% of the population represents 90% of the arrests!

http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezaucr/

Estimated arrests of all persons in the United States

Total Arrests:
2006 14,382,900
2007 14,211,500
2008 14,007,300
2009 13,689,200
2010 13,122,100

Violent Crime Index
2006 611,520
2007 597,450
2008 594,910
2009 581,760
2010 552,080

These statistics are estimates that account for missing data and may differ from other published sources. The county-level files which are the source of this information are not official FBI releases and are being provided for research purposes.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 11:50:00 AM PDT by tired&retired
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35 posted on 04/30/2014 11:53:26 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: tired&retired

Indeed likely.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 2:14:01 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: MichaelCorleone
Thanks.

I am confused by this and it is possible there are agendas at play, but who's. . .the ‘right?’ Who knows. What troubles me a lot is Cruz made a public statement about the (supposed) abuse in the NDAA, and when I contacted his office, they researched and came back referring to numerous news articles but never the actual legislation. . .I then again asked via email and phone for documentation for the specific legislation and they said they would forward to me quickly. . that was a month ago.

This is odd.

37 posted on 04/30/2014 2:19:07 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Elsie

Only a few of Us it seems.


38 posted on 04/30/2014 3:29:06 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: All

Most Smart phones can be set to delete all data if an incorrect password is entered 10 times.

You can also backup all of your info to your PC or online with an Android phone so you can easily recover the deleted data, contacts, pics, apps, etc...

I believe same with iPhones but I no longer own those overpriced Apple phones and have owned Android OS based smart phones for the past few years.

Schedule the app to automatically backup your phone every day, week, month or how often you want and put a password on it.

If the cops demand you show them what’s on your phone, tell them to get a warrant or to go pound sand.


39 posted on 05/01/2014 1:21:50 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Has any President in history sunk to such a level of self-flattery & validation-seeking?)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

BTW, Metro PCS is a pay as you go provider and has great prices on current phones, unlike some of the outdated phones other carriers have.

Some smart phones with the current Android OS, 4.4, are free after rebate like the LG Optimus L70:

http://www.metropcs.com/metro/static/genericstaticpage.jsp?title=free4G&intl_camp=home|MAIN2|free4Gphones


40 posted on 05/01/2014 1:31:48 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Has any President in history sunk to such a level of self-flattery & validation-seeking?)
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