Ramping up is hard to do when logging in northern Arizona

Arizona Daily Sun ^ | August 1, 2014 | Eric Betz

[nathanbedford]

In Bavaria the farmers all around me are logging around the calendar, in fact, they are required to manage their woodlands. The result, the forests have endured here while supporting mankind since before the Visigoths came through.

My point, even where people are green to the point of absurdity as they are here in Germany, sensible regulations are possible. When whole industries in whole sections of the nation are handcuffed because of a few birds or a few snakes, we are confounded by our own fastidiousness.

Our culture has been conditioned ever since Walt Disney's Bambi to exalt this green fantasy over intelligent management of resources. Our law has so perverted procedure that the outcome is inevitable. When the court grants standing to green groups to bring "friendly" lawsuits against the EPA only to result in sweetheart settlements in favor of green fantasy, legalistic tyranny triumphs over democracy.

[riverrunner]

There mills in in the mid west who specialize into turning threes that size into 2x4s.

[DH]

Believe me, one day they will spot a single flying horny toad and all work will stop to save the species.

There is a very good reason that the lumber industry there all but vanished and “once burned” won’t return freely.

They ought to bring millions of Sierra Club members to ask each tree if it want’s to be converted into lumber. Those that don’t....stay. Those who do continue on to meet a horrible and excruciating death by mechanical “tree death” machines.

/Sarc

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Our children and grandchildren were and continue to be taught that natural resources are part of Mother Earth and holy. They're opposed to using things like wood, coal, oil, gas - that it is bad to fish, log, mine.

They don't understand conservation - they're indoctrinated by academics preaching "the environment" and "the holiness of being green." Then it's reinforced by uninformed teachers, lazy politicians and a biased, ignorant media - now business has climbed aboard to profit from the ignorant public!

I remember when Scouting was more than promoting homosexuality, feminism and selling cookies.

More people afraid of outdoors, disconnect with nature blamed

[Fraxinus]

There mills in in the mid west who specialize into turning threes that size into 2x4s.

There are mills in the South where the head rig cannot accept a log over 24" in diameter.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

This has been a long time in the planning - gone through endless, repetitive EPA, “interested” parties, stake holder road blocks and hoop jumps - the pendulum has begun to slowly swing back. Flagstaff is granola squared, so it’s telling when something as massive as this begins.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Daily Caller - Aug 2, 2014: Coal Miners Union In Full Revolt After Supporting Obama In 2008 "It’s unlikely that United Mine Workers of America president Cecil Roberts thought he would be arrested protesting the energy policies of the very politician his union supported in 2008. But things have come full circle for coal miners, who now see President Obama’s climate agenda threatening their livelihoods...."

[clearcarbon]

"Our children and grandchildren were and continue to be taught that natural resources are part of Mother Earth and holy.”

Trees are evil!

[WorkingClassFilth]

America’s problem isn’t so much forests or management (well, pre-1990’s management). We have more forested acreage than when Columbus set foot here. We also grow more biomass than we cut. The new ‘natural’ management systems are designed to kill forest resource use. There are many management issues out there today, but the forestry school are churning out PC idiots just like every other school. Of course, it’s alright to import forest products from overseas or allow foreign groups like this one from Oman.

Who the hell cares anymore?

[fso301]

It’s been one year since Oman-based Good Earth Power was awarded the nation’s largest U.S. Forest Service stewardship contract in history,

WTF?

[DaveA37]

“Never gonna happen”, the “enviros” will get some liberal judge to support a court injunction against the project and all things will stop.

[nathanbedford]

You raise an important new point.

We have institutionalized globalism. Our institutions practically require American companies to go offshore and when they do, the same politicians who by their laws and regulations have forced them offshore, will accuse them of being unpatriotic. If we complain of foreign companies being brought into America we are charged with everything from racism to jingoism.

No one cares anymore because to do so is to lift one's head above the parapet and risk getting it shot off. Who wants to battle charges of racism, nativism, and (gasp) anti-Americanism? And to what ends? Prophets have all been wrung out of logging in Arizona and elsewhere by regulations which smother the industry and which have undercut the infrastructure needed to support it. There is no upside to political incorrectness or fighting the system in any way.

Until we have a culture that exalts capitalism and does so fearlessly by that name, I see very little hope of improvement.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

They subcontracted to a company that’s working to find the equipment, the mills and the workers.

“.....Horner says that the first order of business for his company is to try to identify and mobilize timber harvesting resources. Horner said the company will need an estimated 300 logging trucks a day to move millions of tons of materials off the forest, and those resources aren’t going to appear with just a snap of the fingers. One of the things being considered is ramping up education and training at the community college level to help build a skilled labor force to tackle the timber......”

[Cincinatus' Wife]

.....No one cares anymore because to do so is to lift one's head above the parapet and risk getting it shot off. Who wants to battle charges of racism, nativism, and (gasp) anti-Americanism? And to what ends? Prophets have all been wrung out of logging in Arizona and elsewhere by regulations which smother the industry and which have undercut the infrastructure needed to support it. There is no upside to political incorrectness or fighting the system in any way. ...

California transplants who "knew best" how to take care of the land invaded Arizona (including Flagstaff) but NOW that their property and their livelihood sits in a tinderbox (some lie in the path of flash flooding due to burns) they're singing a different tune.

[healy61]

Didn’t the president of the Sierra Club built a log home consisting of 2 million logs a few years back? I think so.

[fso301]

They subcontracted to a company that’s working to find the equipment, the mills and the workers.

That I understood. What I didn't understand was why award the contract to a company from a nation where not a single tree grows natively?

[theBuckwheat]

The “green fantasy” goes to the heart of the human spirit, for it temps mankind in way similar to the way Satan tempted Eve: that salvation is possible by achieving harmony with “nature”, which in reality is a false god commonly called Gaia.

[FlingWingFlyer]

Believe me, one day they will spot a single flying horny toad and all work will stop to save the species.

That would be the MEXICAN flying horny toads in Arizona. Here in Arizona we slap "MEXICAN" to the name of every "endangered species" the jugheads can come up with. Mexican Spotted owl. The Mexican wolf, etc.

[diogenes ghost]

"...log home consisting of 2 million logs a few years back? I think so."

I don't.