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Ten years On, Scientists Still Debating The Origins Of Homo Floresiensis—The 'Hobbit'
Phys.Org ^ | Bob Yirka

Posted on 10/28/2014 10:53:04 AM PDT by blam

Oct 23, 2014
Bob Yirka

Homo floresiensis adult female - model of head.

(Phys.org) —It's been ten years since the bones of Homo floresiensis, aka, the "hobbit" were uncovered in Liang Bua, a cave, on the island of Flores in Indonesia, and scientists still can't agree on the diminutive hominin's origins. This month, the journal Nature has printed a comment piece by Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London and two pieces by Ewen Callaway, one a retrospective with interviews with the central players, and the other a podcast with the four principle scientists involved in the find—Bert Roberts, Thomas Sutikna, Dean Falk, and Stringer.

Did H. floresiensis descend from Australopithecus, leaving Africa and somehow settling on Flores, or was it a case of an early member of our family tree finding its way to the island and then because of limited resources, evolving into a much smaller size? That's the central question in the debate.

The majority opinion has sided with the island effect, mostly because of the time frame— H. floresiensis existed a mere 13,000 years ago, which means it was alive when other Homo sapiens were about, thus it seemed to make sense that H. floresiensis was also a member that had become stranded on an island. But Stringer doesn't agree. In his commentary piece he notes the chin and jaw are more reminiscent of pre-human fossils, dating back approximately two million years. Also the body shape and tiny brain appear to be more primitive than humans. He says taken together, the evidence suggests a closer match with Australopithecus, a pre-human group living in Africa which also includes the remains of the famous "Lucy"—and which also date back to approximately 1.2 million years ago.

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KEYWORDS: archaeology; evolution; flores; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hobbit; homofloresiensis
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Since the Hobbit was discovered, one possibly two previously unknown humans have been discovered.
1 posted on 10/28/2014 10:53:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 10/28/2014 10:53:27 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam

Tolkien of course...................


3 posted on 10/28/2014 10:55:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: blam

he notes the chin and jaw are more reminiscent of pre-human fossils, dating back approximately two million years.


or, perhaps the assumption is false that the fossils to which he is comparing are not “pre-human”, but contemporary to all the other humans, including dear Florence here.


4 posted on 10/28/2014 10:58:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: blam


5 posted on 10/28/2014 11:01:22 AM PDT by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: blam

probably didn’t ever exist

We’ll find out in another decade

“Oops sorry about all that”


6 posted on 10/28/2014 11:05:56 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: blam
From your link:

The authors propose several possible scenarios. For instance, Sima hominins could simply be close relatives of the Denisovans. But that would mean they lived right alongside Neanderthals without having close genetic ties to them.

The Sima hominins could also be a completely independent group that mingled with Denisovans, passing on their mitochondrial DNA, but it would be hard to explain why they also have Neanderthal features.

Another possibility, suggested by anthropologist Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London, is that mitochondrial DNA from the Sima people reached the Denisovans thanks to interspecies sexual adventures among early humans, which introduced the DNA to both the Sima and Denisovans.

In other words, our genetics are mess, because our ancestors slept around, and all of their descendants are bastards.

7 posted on 10/28/2014 11:06:41 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Brother Cracker

Everybody likes a family portrait. Nobody wants to get dressed up for it.


8 posted on 10/28/2014 11:07:47 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: blam

As you know I think the out of Africa theory is BS.

I was looking at a Map of the Last Ice Age and wondered who was wandering around that Ice Free area extending from Anatola to China. What else is left to be found?


9 posted on 10/28/2014 11:09:22 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: GeronL

Didn’t we have some pig’s tooth that developed into a family, culture, kids, clothing, tools, etc?

Ah, yes... Nebraska man.


10 posted on 10/28/2014 11:09:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I remember something like that too. They could have written reams and libraries about a civilization that never existed.


11 posted on 10/28/2014 11:14:59 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: blam

Bttt.


12 posted on 10/28/2014 11:15:20 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: GeronL


In a 1922 issue of Illustrated London News, an article was published featuring a picture of Nebraska man drawn by Amedee Forestier saying the, “reconstruction is merely the expression of an artist’s brilliant imaginative genius.” Imaginative was correct because this man and his mate were concocted from a single tooth. It turns out that the tooth was that of a pig.


13 posted on 10/28/2014 11:18:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: blam

actually they were space aliens who got shipwrecked


14 posted on 10/28/2014 11:18:48 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: MrB

bump

I am amazed how at how little some archaeologists need to start extrapolating on entire cultures and lifestyles of ancient people.


15 posted on 10/28/2014 11:19:33 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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16 posted on 10/28/2014 11:21:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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Precious Ring

Yeah gholem is now Harry Waxman you didn’t know that blam LOL!


17 posted on 10/28/2014 11:23:56 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: blam

Isolated gene pool and limited resources with selection and drift combining in a modified Homo Erectus that requires less nourishment to survive, seems a good bet.


18 posted on 10/28/2014 12:07:41 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: married21
Everybody likes a family portrait. Nobody wants to get dressed up for it.

Well, contestant number 7 does have a flair for fashion.

19 posted on 10/28/2014 12:31:44 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: PistolPaknMama

True. He has shoes and a cozy wrap for evening.


20 posted on 10/28/2014 1:11:10 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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