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High GDP Numbers for Q3? We Can Thank Obamacare and Forced Consumer Spending
Examiner.com ^ | December 23, 2014 | Kenneth Schortgen Jr

Posted on 12/25/2014 7:39:51 AM PST by Son House

The revision which helped create last quarters incredible growth was the forced mandatory costs incurred by the American people from the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), which accounted for two-thirds of the entire boost in consumer spending. Consumer spending, as opposed to the recording of revenues from actual production and industry which used to be the primary components of economic growth in America, on average accounts for more than 70% of the entire Gross Domestic Product. And if you took out payments made by the American people towards mandatory government healthcare, GDP may have been in negative growth for last quarter, just as an Obamacare revision changed the first quarter's number from a negative to plus 4%.

Using a myriad of messages, such as telling citizens they will be stuck paying massive fines for not registering for nationalized healthcare, many Americans used large portions of their discretionary spending and savings to pay for services and insurance that on average is much higher than what they paid for prior to Obamacare's passage in Congress.

To prop up artificially created GDP numbers, government agencies are now using just about anything to assure that the public and the markets do not realize the true state of the economy.

And in the U.S., the BEA is doing the same, only instead of counting and reporting the actual components of America's Gross Domestic Product, they are simply waiting until all numbers are in and then revising those numbers higher using new additions that were not previously counted, such as the doubling down of insurance sales which have been forced unto the public at a time when the real economy is screaming a deep recession.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; consumer; economy; gdp; grubbering; obamacare; spending; zerocare
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And let's not forget the massive Government Deficit Spending Democrats all approve of, and enough Republicans 'went along to get along' with.

Graph can be seen at link.

1 posted on 12/25/2014 7:39:51 AM PST by Son House
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To: Son House

Related:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3240841/posts

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-23/here-reason-surge-q3-gdp


2 posted on 12/25/2014 7:47:36 AM PST by upchuck (Too much ME, not enough G.)
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To: Son House

To me, being FORCED to purchase something (at the expense of other legitimate discretionary items) is not evidence of growth. It takes work and money already received (and part of what one would think is GDP) and forces a choice not wanted. Seems like double dipping fudging on the numbers to me.


3 posted on 12/25/2014 7:59:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Son House
Lies.

Just like unemployment.
Libs think that there are more jobs now than when Bush was President; fact is, there are over 4 million fewer jobs in America today than when Obama won his first election in 2008.

Inflation is another big lie. They have taken everything that inflates out of the inflation index. Maybe now they'll put energy back in since oil prices have collapsed.

Go do some food shopping and you'll see inflation. Smaller packages, generic packages, higher prices...

4 posted on 12/25/2014 8:01:55 AM PST by Bon mots (American Exceptionalism becomes American Acceptionalism under this regime... :()
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To: Son House

The Affordable Care Extortion Act


5 posted on 12/25/2014 8:10:33 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Gaffer

Add to that the Gen X who can’t make a house payment, can’t buy a car, even can’t pay for a technical college education until they pay their forced dues to an unaffordable Health Care law. Thank the Democratic Party!


6 posted on 12/25/2014 8:13:37 AM PST by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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To: Son House

We have been Grubbered again. I heard the spending news this week and thought, wow! I don’t understand it, but great!

Now, I know the truth.


7 posted on 12/25/2014 8:17:11 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Gaffer

“To me, being FORCED to purchase something”

An old Soviet saying

They pretend to pay me and I pretend to work


8 posted on 12/25/2014 8:18:20 AM PST by DanZ
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To: upchuck

Glad you added that, as the Democrat hack media and their contributors will be glowing over the fraud numbers.


9 posted on 12/25/2014 8:18:32 AM PST by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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By my quick calculations, the national debt has increased by 10% per year, compounded since Obama became president. Only now are we even getting a growth rate that is half of the rate of expansion of the debt. And that is just for one quarter If we ever expect to get a handle on the debt we need to grow the GDP faster than we grow the debt. I mean if the deficit this year is $500 billion, and the growth in GDP for the entire year was 5%, it would be around $500 billion. So what we have is a current expansion of GDP financed by future generations.

On top of that, the Fed has pumped trillions of newly minted dollars into the economy with all its quantitative easing. In my opinion, all this new money creates a potential inflation threat if it ever gets into circulation. I think inflation is higher than what the government has been reporting, and that would mute some of these 'wonderful' GDP numbers.

10 posted on 12/25/2014 8:25:44 AM PST by fhayek
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To: DanZ

“An old Soviet saying: They pretend to pay me and I pretend to work”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I’ve always loved that, how true it was (is). The best humor is based on real truth.

To your point, to which we can now add:

“And I pretend to buy something, and they pretend to count it as economic activity”.


11 posted on 12/25/2014 8:27:16 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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The entire economy is propped up via quantitative easing and artificial interest rates.


12 posted on 12/25/2014 8:32:30 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: Son House

Incredible growth + Incredible debt = Subzero Gain


13 posted on 12/25/2014 8:37:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: FreeAtlanta

Add the government revised how they do GDP Calculations, and you just knew something isn’t right with that number.

Not to mention ‘job growth’. The full-time jobs are lost about 1 full-time job loss = 2 part-time job gain, in every recent monthly job report.


14 posted on 12/25/2014 8:50:13 AM PST by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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To: fhayek
what we have is a current expansion of GDP financed by future generations.

Yep, someone is going to pay back the government's line of credit (debt).

15 posted on 12/25/2014 8:54:33 AM PST by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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To: fhayek

quantitative easing = the measure of which the Fed is propping up the economic picture...


16 posted on 12/25/2014 8:55:56 AM PST by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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To: Son House
cause the price of gas going down and the $$$$$ spent on other things had nothing to do with it... right???
17 posted on 12/25/2014 9:17:39 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: fhayek

As long as the world’s elite and their bankers accept the manna from the Fed, it does not matter, those who do the actual work be damned of course.


18 posted on 12/25/2014 9:57:29 AM PST by buckalfa (Too many days spent at the North Heidelberg back in 1968)
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To: Son House

And we can thank the DoPS (the Department of Phony Statistics) and the Goebbels-like media who are stupid enough to think that we believe this crap.


19 posted on 12/25/2014 11:37:27 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

“An old Soviet saying: They pretend to pay me and I pretend to work”
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That old reality based saying, stemming from the great Russian sense of humor, is one I’ve always loved.

When it comes to American government “workers”, it should be modified to say “They ACTUALLY pay me and I pretend to work and MY PRETEND WORK IS ADDED TO THE GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT”. Ain’t life grand for the government and its cronies!


20 posted on 12/25/2014 12:04:24 PM PST by House Atreides
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