Posted on 03/01/2015 9:36:33 AM PST by tcrlaf
I guess it was a heavily self deprecating mea culpa (in part because I felt stupid for leaping before I looked).
Either way I guess we both learned something valuable :)
Indeed!
And that's why I love FR!
Yep, I, VerySadAmerica, thinks it’s “very sad”.
The military isn’t allowed to have live ammo around him.
Too much collateral damage unless using something like JDAMs or JSOW.... NYC for example:
And yeah I know that these people are nuttier than squirrel turds.
That's pretty scary. Al-Baghdadi said, "See you in New York." Bibi's thinking, "I don't want this to happen in Jerusalem." We'll see if we have the stones to do some preventive medicine. .
The Air Force isn’t going to be as trigger happy as you are making them out to be.
Nothing I wrote could be equated with “trigger happy.” That would be like saying Chris Kyle was on a “killing spree.” But I stand by my point: if they are given a legal order to shoot down an IAF (or any other) aircraft they will do their best to do just that.
It is the duty of an officer to question if an order is “legal” or not. They are not robots, and they are not going to blindly follow any order that they think is questionable.... IE indiscriminately firing on US civilians, shooting down known allies, etc.
The perfumed princes of the five sided puzzle palace may be all “Yes Sir! Three bags full sir!” in regards to EmpERROR Zero, but the field commanders (who are the ones that matter BTW) are nothing like that.
You aren’t telling me anything I don’t know first-hand. Being ordered to shoot down any foreign warplane is not nearly as close to a possibly illegal order as being ordered to fire on unarmed civilians of one’s own country, so that’s not a very good comparison. Add to that the speed with which events happen in the air and the potentially lethal effects of hesitation, and chances are that young aviator is going to execute that order and ponder its legality or morality later.
I certainly don’t agree with it, I think it would be a goddamn disgrace to attack an allied aircraft on a mission that does not endanger US interests, but I think it would be very possible under the current circumstances.
I honestly don’t think it would happen.
Would our jets scramble? Maybe.
Would they close for a visual? Probably.
Would they fire without being fired upon? No.
As long as the Israelis don’t lock on we’d have no valid reason to engage. And vice versa.
Can they be shot down with ship to air missiles?
Dunno, but I kind of think foot soldiers, to put it crudely, do what they are ordered to do.
Of course they do. But someday you have to take off the uniform and live with what you did.
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