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When the Gun Lobby Tries to Justify Firearms Everywhere, It Turns to This Guy
motherjones.com ^ | 7/28/2015 | Julia Lurie

Posted on 07/30/2015 10:08:59 AM PDT by rktman

When you watch the news after the latest big shooting, there's a good chance you'll come across John Lott. The 57-year-old economist has made more than 100 media appearances over the past two years, from friendly conversations on Fox News to heated debates on MSNBC and CNN. After nine churchgoers were gunned down in Charleston, South Carolina, he went on Sean Hannity's show and criticized President Obama for spreading "clearly false" information about gun violence. Following the recent mass shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee, his op-ed asking "Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military?" was among the most popular articles on the Fox News site. After an interview with Lott in the wake of the movie theater shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana, conservative radio host Laura Ingraham gushed, "He knows more about guns and the Second Amendment than pretty much anyone I know."

(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; barflist; guncontrol; johnlott; lott; motherjones
Well then. If mother jones says so, it must be true. LOL. Didn't think a barf alert was needed considering the source.
1 posted on 07/30/2015 10:08:59 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Well, he is. When John Lott speaks, people on both sides of the issue should listen.


2 posted on 07/30/2015 10:11:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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One side mostly knows the facts. The other side——screw a bunch of facts. It must be settled science that more guns=more shootings. Right?


3 posted on 07/30/2015 10:15:13 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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Love the headline!! LOL


4 posted on 07/30/2015 10:17:49 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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Well, responsible firearms owners can also cite works from David Kopel or Gary Kleck or James Wright or Peter Rossi or Don Kates. These authors have over the years written very thoughtful and well researched books and articles that seriously contradict and challenge the fundamental assumptions anti gunners still hold onto.


5 posted on 07/30/2015 10:22:37 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("Keeping your stick down used to be a commandment, but not anymore" Harry Sinden, 1988)
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I always laugh when my lib uncle sources his arguments from Mother Jones or Huffington Post.

Back in the 80s, my father in law’s sister was an uber New Dealer. Whereas he was a staunch Reagan capitalist. She gave him a subscription to Mother Jones apparently thinking that would convert him. ha ha ha ha


6 posted on 07/30/2015 10:22:45 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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I disagree with Lott on a fundamental level.

It’s not that I don’t appreciate his work. He skewers the myths of the gun grabbers in a very effective manner.

But in my mind, statistical arguments are irrelevant to fundamental rights. Each and every individual would have an inalienable right to keep and bear, even if it did cause increased violent crime.

I like it that Lott has proven that it doesn’t, and I like that he’s shown that the gun banners are raving moonbats, but fundamental rights are not subject to utilitarian considerations.


7 posted on 07/30/2015 10:22:52 AM PDT by jdege
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To: JohnLott

Ping


8 posted on 07/30/2015 10:39:36 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR NEEDS YOUR DONATION!)
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To: rktman

John Lott doesn’t justify guns everywhere he validates them.
The 2nd Amendment doesn’t justify gun everywhere either it ratifies them.

My inalienable right to bear arms is justified by my Creator.


9 posted on 07/30/2015 10:45:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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I agree. Fighting with gun grabbers over what is even the truth is pointless and distracting and gives them legitimacy they don’t deserve. They want to win, and like any good communist, the ends justify the means, and they will lie and slander and just make up stuff in order to win.

Summed up, when confronted with the plea for “reasonable” gun control, the answer should be; ‘ “Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.” ‘

http://journal.ijreview.com/2015/07/245635-gun-rights-advocates-have-a-devastating-new-argument-against-gun-control-here-it-is/?source=FBshare


10 posted on 07/30/2015 11:10:35 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: rktman

Mother Jones, another left-wing agitprop zombie mag from the `70s, like Rolling Stone.


11 posted on 07/30/2015 11:11:36 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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"More Guns Less Crime" and "The Bias Agaist Guns" are on my bookshelf: excellent reads and complete excoriations of any notion that guns cause "tragedies," etc. more than they prevent crime and victimization.

Sadly, Liberals aren't open-minded enough to read anything but Vanity Fair, Mother Jones, and Bill Ayers' bestseller Dreams of My Father
12 posted on 07/30/2015 11:13:18 AM PDT by golux
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Wselcome to Mother Jones’ Cavalcade of Character Assassination. Today’s victim: John Lott.

When you can’t dispute the message, defame the messenger.


13 posted on 07/30/2015 11:16:02 AM PDT by IronJack
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Here in Kansas we are ending our first month of Constitutional carry. The blood in the street turned out to be liberal Kool-Aid.


14 posted on 07/30/2015 11:17:04 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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I think I have learned the most devastating thing thing you can do to a liberal’s argument is to laugh at them. They try to belittle us gun rights types, but they don’t have reality to back them up like we do, which is why we usually default to trying to explain the truth. They don’t have anything but their feelings based arguments, which are quite fragile.

I have also wondered if Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals was based on some projection on their part as to what is most devastating to liberal arguments in particular. Answering a lib with reason and fact gives them way too much credit.

Demonize, objectify, expose their stupidity. Silly stupid useful idiot hippies trying to make us sheep Marxists.

If a relative, get them some of this for Christmas; http://shop.tacticalshit.com/liberal-tears-gun-oil-6oz


15 posted on 07/30/2015 11:52:40 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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The so-called arguments used to falsify Lott's work used only cases where a defensive use of a gun resulted in the death of an attacker who was also using a gun. This tended to skew the results the way the anti-Lott anti-gun crowd wanted their results to go. Naturally, there were very few situation where that occurs.

Those who were attempting to falsify Lott's work deliberately ignored any use of a defensive firearm that did not meet that criteria.

To that end, they ignored any use of a defensive firearm where its mere presence prevented a crime from being completed, and also ignored any use of a defensive firearm that prevented the initiation of any crime by scaring off the potential perpetrators. All of these instances were ignored and/or discounted in the studies that supposedly invalidated Lott's work on defensive uses of firearms by the public. Only those defensive uses of firearms where the criminal was killed, or in some studies only those perpetrators who were wounded, and captured and later convicted of a crime, were included.

Those studies excluded instances where perpetrators were later exonerated or did not go to trial, concluding that no crime took place, and therefor could not have been defended against by a firearm. All other defensive uses were systematically excluded as defensive uses of firearms as irrelevant. They were, to say the least, completely dishonest studies, designed to elicit the results they wanted.

16 posted on 07/30/2015 7:14:24 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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Lucky for us we’ve been informed that self defense gun usage NEVER EVER EVER happens. :>}


17 posted on 07/30/2015 8:23:24 PM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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