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[FLASHBACK] Cruz Tries to Claim the Middle Ground on Immigration [Post-Gang of Eight 2013]
NYTimes/TX Tribune ^ | September 12, 2013 | JAY ROOT and JULIƁN AGUILAR

Posted on 01/25/2016 9:31:17 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

When it comes to immigration reform, Senator Ted Cruz has made it abundantly clear what he opposes: giving citizenship to people who broke the law to come here.

What has not been as evident is what he supports: legal status for millions of people here already, while making it easier for immigrants to come here through the front door.

"I have said many times that I want to see common-sense immigration reform pass," he said. "I think most Americans want to see the problem fixed."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 01/25/2016 9:31:17 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Unless we looked at the Cruz and Trump plans side by side we might have a hard time comparing the total impact. It’s like comparing apple seeds to orange peels sometimes, it seems.

I know who I think is the heir apparent, but I still wish this tastes great, less filling argument could be put in coherent terms.


2 posted on 01/25/2016 9:34:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It’s pretty obvious both Trump and Cruz have changed their positions on immigration. I assume Cruz learned a hard lesson on this. I have no idea what Trump will actually do on this front.


3 posted on 01/25/2016 9:35:57 PM PST by DB
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Defiant Jeff Sessions on ‘Gang of Eight’: ‘Every Step of the Way, Ted Cruz Was on My Side’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/19/defiant-jeff-sessions-on-gang-of-eight-every-step-of-the-way-ted-cruz-was-on-my-side/


4 posted on 01/25/2016 9:36:53 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You do realize that at this exact same point in time, Trump was tweeting in support of granting amnesty, right? And that Jeff Sessions has publicly said that Cruz was standing with him on the Rubio bill, so that means Sessions was in agreement with Cruz’s tactics here?


5 posted on 01/25/2016 9:37:44 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: DB

Nor do you have a clear idea of St. Teddy bear, Soccer Ball Cruz would do either. He changed his position too. Tit for tat.


6 posted on 01/25/2016 9:37:53 PM PST by Catsrus (I callz 'em as I seez 'em)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

More proof of the sell out ...Beck and Perry confirm ... Go Trump


7 posted on 01/25/2016 9:38:20 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Trump is the only one who will secure our borders . Vote Trump)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

No amnesty. Granting amnesty will ENCOURAGE illegal aliens. Anyone who supports or promotes amnesty should be arrested.


8 posted on 01/25/2016 9:38:56 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more)
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To: CA Conservative

Who’s on first, I don’t know’s on second...

I can’t blame the body politic for tuning this out.


9 posted on 01/25/2016 9:39:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Cobra64

I wish some people would listen to themselves. I guess we got to give the country up to save it huh?

The moment you try silencing political dissent this way you lose the war.

We have to do things the old, right, virtuous way. And if that means going to the bother of asking God into the picture again... it does.


10 posted on 01/25/2016 9:41:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Cruz lost me when he told an interviewer that we could "have a conversation" about what to do with the tens of millions of invaders currently colonizing our country - "after the border is secure."

I went and looked carefully at his immigration plan, and sure enough, it only mentions deporting criminal illegals.

Well, that's good, but not good enough, Ted. In fact, I think it's code for, "We're going to normalize/legalize those people some way."

11 posted on 01/25/2016 9:41:28 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All
Defiant Jeff Sessions on ‘Gang of Eight’: ‘Every Step of the Way, Ted Cruz Was on My Side’

This article is after the gang of eight fight, so it's entirely irrelevant. But as for Sessions, I suspect Breitbart, lazy as they are, were asking him leading questions about amnesty and the pathway to citizenship, not on legalization.

Though, for that matter, no one on the Republican side at that time was opposing legalization, provided it occurred after the border was secured:

See here

Even Rush Limbaugh was publicly for legalization and opposed deportation, claiming it was "unrealistic":

"I have never said, whatever number are here illegally, "Round 'em up and deport 'em." It isn't realistic. We have to stop the influx. So you can't pose a question to me, "Okay, Mr. Limbaugh, after we secure the borders..." the borders are key. And then we come up with a plan, I could give you two or three of them that would help legalize these people if they're willing to assimilate. We don't want a Balkanized America, and that's what this is leading to. It's just a matter of following the law"

source

Sessions can state that Cruz was with him "every step of the way" (except when Cruz voted down Session's amendments), and yet not save Ted Cruz from his characterization of legalization of illegal aliens as part of "common sense immigration reform".

12 posted on 01/25/2016 9:41:46 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CA Conservative
You do realize that at this exact same point in time, Trump was tweeting in support of granting amnesty, right?

Like I keep telling you: It's not about both of them changing position, it's about one of them lying that he never changed position.

13 posted on 01/25/2016 9:42:38 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So, we can go back to 2013 for the candidates now?

Do we start with Trump’s single payer healthcare views, or his abortion views?


14 posted on 01/25/2016 9:42:46 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Trump talks about amnesty | CNN | Dana Bash | July 2015

Trump talks about amnesty | MSNBC | Morning Joe | July 2015

15 posted on 01/25/2016 9:43:30 PM PST by FreeReign
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So, we can go back to 2013 for the candidates now?

Why not? Ted Cruz supporters on this website have been posting stories from 2013, 1999, 1980, 2000s, for the past two weeks bashing Trump. At least I have the decency to write "FLASHBACK" on my article, so people know it's not new.

16 posted on 01/25/2016 9:44:40 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Doing things to encourage a self-deport would help.

I like to look at the problem from unusual angles too.

Why in the world is Mexico (say) WANTING to export people? (and yes, they do... they openly print literature encouraging it). That doesn’t say a lot for Mexico. Could Trump sit down with those guys and say that as long as you keep doing this, it is the worst of both worlds for both of us? You’re killing your home morale, believe it or not, by treating your people that cheap. And you’re saddling us with an impossible welfare burden.


17 posted on 01/25/2016 9:45:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
There's no doubt this is still his plan and that of his donors. Plus the 500,000 additional H1-B visas.

The GOP has lied to us over and over, and only suckers would believe a GOP, Washington Insider, now. Cruz represents the elite establishment, and they have no intention of closing borders, etc. They are open borders, Cheap Labor Express, unfair trade deals, reducing wages and lifestyle of Americans to third world levels, and establishing a North American Union.

18 posted on 01/25/2016 9:49:43 PM PST by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And then start airing ads in Spanish over here asking “Aren’t you homesick?” And showing various features of Mexico like they would to tourists. And playing the Mexican national anthem. The soft sell (on top of everything else).

Get Mexicans to love Mexico again and you’ve pretty well taken care of the battle.


19 posted on 01/25/2016 9:49:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: gg188

It’s going to take an act of God, not an act of Congress, to fix this.


20 posted on 01/25/2016 9:52:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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