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California Assembly Bill 1681 - Banning secure encrypted smartphones for sale in California
State of California Legislative Information ^ | JANUARY 20, 2016 | Assemblyman Jim Cooper (D-9)

Posted on 03/10/2016 10:42:30 AM PST by MeganC

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To: SaveFerris
I’m sure there’s something else encrypted here but what is it? (I don’t actually know - never had an iPhone).

And therein lies the problem. People who don't have a smartphone assume it's just a telephone.

It's not.

The iPhone is my sister's primary computer, and smartphones are that for MILLIONS of others. They are fast enough now, and have a good enough display, and enough storage to do most of what people need to do on a computer. Yes, they can even print, using a wireless printer like the one I own.

Do not mistake this: California and the US Government want OWNERSHIP of every piece of information, even the most private, that people store on their phones computers, for that is what smartphones are now.

41 posted on 03/10/2016 11:39:53 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: kingu

Encrypted is another story.

I’m only talking about what someone speaks, who they call and un-encrypted text messages.

Shoot we’ve been capturing a lot of that since the 1970’s with the geosync satellites. They download the info which is then converted from voice to text and made scannable to computers. This is what “Falcon and the Snowman”, Boyce and Lee, compromised with the access one of them had to the TRW facility. Way back.

Apple is concerned about future phone sales, imho, if they break this thing.

I say they already have the technology.


Even chat rooms recorded conversation logs and were required to keep them for some period of time. I personally spoke with a couple of FBI agents when I reported a guy who was threatening to hack a website. He tried to himself afterwards but it was too late. His original I.P. address had already been recorded.


42 posted on 03/10/2016 11:41:44 AM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Oh, that I already know (its general capabilities).

I’m just wondering what is encrypted. Certain messages?

Any voice they’re speaking is already captured.


43 posted on 03/10/2016 11:43:06 AM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: I want the USA back

Congress has the Article I Section 8 right to regulate commerce.

This means it can tell manufacturers how to design products.

Congress has the Article I Section 8 right to raise armies which means it has the right to tell Apple (and Samsung)programmers what to do.


44 posted on 03/10/2016 11:49:58 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: SaveFerris
"I’m sure there’s something else encrypted here but what is it?"

Email attachments.

websites

Contact lists

Passwords

Photographs

Photographs with encrypted messages

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-ways-to-hide-secret-messages-in-pictures/

45 posted on 03/10/2016 11:50:03 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: drypowder

“smart phones will be cheap if this passes, they won’t be able to give them away. “

98% of smart phone users don’t give a hoot about encryption.


46 posted on 03/10/2016 11:51:43 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: SaveFerris

“Any voice they’re speaking is already captured.”

Not that anyone knows.


47 posted on 03/10/2016 11:53:30 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: backwoods-engineer

“California and the US Government want OWNERSHIP of every piece of information”

Google has the ownership.

Does Google have a Big Brother?


48 posted on 03/10/2016 11:54:02 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MeganC

“....I am very, very happy that I now live in Wyoming where people don’t have to worry about cops breaking down their door at 3am ‘to check on them’.”

Congratulations! I’m happy for you! Now, if you want it to remain that way, you’ll need to be both fearlessly vocal and active to ensure libtards are not welcome in your community. It doesn’t take long for libtards to get a foothold in a good community and then start changing it. Once they start getting established and more and more start arriving, it’s VERY difficult to restore things to how they were.


49 posted on 03/10/2016 11:54:28 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: rarestia

“If they give the keys to government, they’re giving them to criminals too”

Not so.

One can have a device-based key, so you would need the device itself.

Or you could have a two-part key, one part with the manufacturer and another part with the NSA.

Or you could have a three-part key, one part with the manufacturer and another part with the FBI and a third part with the NSA.


50 posted on 03/10/2016 11:58:27 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MeganC

Californians will have to buy their iphones online then...

(from which Ecological Land Fill Site does California dredge up all these dictatorial jerko politicians)


51 posted on 03/10/2016 12:04:18 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: MeganC
>b) A smartphone that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2017, and sold or leased in California, shall be capable of being decrypted and unlocked by its manufacturer or its operating system provider.<

I'm sure that Apple (the manufacturer) is capable of decrypting and unlocking their phones. They just refuse to do it for the FBI. This bill is meaningless.

52 posted on 03/10/2016 12:04:40 PM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: RC one

If so this should be a boon to Nevada, Arizona and Oregon.

CC


53 posted on 03/10/2016 12:05:41 PM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: TexasGator

Yeah, I used to buy a lot of code in an image (commercial purposes). We didn’t have anything evil behind it, but there was a lot there.

I tell people, just because you think you see a white page, doesn’t mean there’s not a whole lot more going on there.


54 posted on 03/10/2016 12:06:19 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: TexasGator

Shoot, even end-user software is doing that. Certain ones, that is.


55 posted on 03/10/2016 12:07:33 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Captain Compassion

[ I’m sure that Apple (the manufacturer) is capable of decrypting and unlocking their phones. They just refuse to do it for the FBI.]

I agree. Nobody puts something like that out there without that capability.


56 posted on 03/10/2016 12:08:49 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris

PUT a lot of code - darn autocorrect


57 posted on 03/10/2016 12:09:24 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: MeganC

They might as well pass laws requiring a law enforcement administrative access username and password for every PC, laptop and tablet and forbidding any, or forcing a backdoor to, storage encryption (hard disk, thumb drive, SSD, etc) in any of those devices. What do they think a “smartphone” is?


58 posted on 03/10/2016 12:10:44 PM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Brian Griffin

The answer is in how many servers and virtual servers one can pack into gigantic facilities. You know, like near a river. Cough.


59 posted on 03/10/2016 12:10:54 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris

crud - phone call

“He tried to hide himself”


60 posted on 03/10/2016 12:12:48 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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