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Are we be better off with the thousands of factories shut down and millions of jobs lost?
Ted Cruz was on with Jeff Kuhner re: free trade ^

Posted on 03/12/2016 6:33:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Are we be better off today with the thousands of U.S. factories that have shut down and millions of American jobs lost and the trillions in accumulated debt that we've run up in the last couple decades of free trade?

And, of course, this is due to many factors including such things as:

Big government

Regulations

High taxes

Unions driving up costs

Cheap labor overseas

Fewer regulations overseas

Lower taxes overseas

Trade deficits

etc.,

And doubly exasperated by poor trade deals?

Or is this all a myth?

Are we better off with cheaper foreign (cheap) goods, fewer U.S. factories, fewer U.S. jobs, higher unemployment and welfare, higher taxes and higher national debt?

Will this spiral out of control until we lose our country?

Is ushering in free trade before (or without) reducing our own costs the equivalent of national suicide?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; badtradedeals; cheaplabor; cruz; economics; fasttrack; freetrade; gop; gope; jeffsessions; jobs; layoffs; manufacturing; ryan; sessions; tpa; tpp; trade; treaty; trends; votetrump
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1 posted on 03/12/2016 6:33:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I thought you were a Cruz supporter, no?


2 posted on 03/12/2016 6:34:36 PM PST by Kenny
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To: Jim Robinson

The 0001% are, and that’s who the GOPe cares about.


3 posted on 03/12/2016 6:35:43 PM PST by heights
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen Jum. The loss of our manufacturing base has nearly destroyed the middle class in this country and without question has added to the breakdown of the nuclear family.


4 posted on 03/12/2016 6:36:28 PM PST by tatown (Career Policians Suck)
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To: Jim Robinson
Fair trade or bust.


5 posted on 03/12/2016 6:36:45 PM PST by Read Write Repeat
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To: Jim Robinson

Well said Trump 2016


6 posted on 03/12/2016 6:36:54 PM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: Kenny

I think last night changed that for a lot of people......


7 posted on 03/12/2016 6:36:54 PM PST by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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To: heights

if you listen to CNBC you would think our service economy is awesome


8 posted on 03/12/2016 6:37:06 PM PST by jneesy (I want my country back and Trump is gonna give it to me)
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To: tatown

*Jim*.

Sorry bout that. :-)


9 posted on 03/12/2016 6:37:21 PM PST by tatown (Career Policians Suck)
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To: Jim Robinson

Vote Trump


10 posted on 03/12/2016 6:37:52 PM PST by onyx (You're here posting, so sign-up to DONATE MONTHLY!)
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To: Kenny

Well, I just listened to Cruz trying to explain away the factory and job losses and saying it was not the fault of free trade per se, but it was really caused by government, unions, regulations, high labor costs, etc, so I’m just trying to figure out if we’ve put the cart before the horse or what?

Looks to me like we should solve the high cost problems before giving all our jobs and business away.


11 posted on 03/12/2016 6:38:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Is ushering in free trade before (or without) reducing our own costs the equivalent of national suicide?

Jim, this is why we need to reduce the corporate tax down to 4% or less. Not only are our wages higher, but the taxes are, too. Money is being left off-shore and never getting back here for reinvestment, even when it otherwise would be needed.

12 posted on 03/12/2016 6:39:25 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed. Why any country would voluntarily ship its manufacturing base overseas is entirely beyond me.


13 posted on 03/12/2016 6:39:59 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Jim Robinson

The American Industrial Base™: don’t fight a world war without it.


14 posted on 03/12/2016 6:40:46 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No, we’re not better off and it’s time we elect a president that’ll turn it around.

Go Trump!


15 posted on 03/12/2016 6:40:53 PM PST by jazusamo (Have YOU Donated to Free Republic? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jim Robinson

Going by my memories of the 1980s the answer is no, not even close.


16 posted on 03/12/2016 6:41:30 PM PST by jospehm20
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I’ve been associated with heavy manufacturing my entire professional life and let me tell you if everyone could see what I’ve seen in terms of how it’s been devastated over the past 30 years y’all would be stunned. What’s remaining is hanging by a thread, under continuous assault by ‘free trade’, cheap labor, and the ever growing EPA.


17 posted on 03/12/2016 6:43:43 PM PST by tatown (Career Policians Suck)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
A country that is intentionally and systemically de industrializing should cut of all immigration. We do not need to import people to help shut down America.
18 posted on 03/12/2016 6:44:01 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The corporate tax rate has nothing to do with it. Please.


19 posted on 03/12/2016 6:45:16 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson
All good questions, Jim.

I'll point out that this is a much more complicated issue than most people realize. I've been saying for years that the number of U.S. factory jobs that have been lost to outsourcing is dwarfed by the number of these jobs that have been lost to automation and technology.

Kudos to the Freeper who pointed out several months ago that U.S. manufacturing employment would have been declining for years even if the U.S. was the only country in the world, and there was no such thing as "foreign trade."

20 posted on 03/12/2016 6:46:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Bye bye, William Frawley!)
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