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Spy agencies are pushed to reveal extent of US surveillance
Associated Press ^ | May 7, 2016 10:21 PM EDT | Deb Riechmann

Posted on 05/07/2016 7:59:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Even though the bulk collection of Americans’ telephone records has ended, calls and emails are still being swept up by U.S. surveillance work targeting foreigners. Congress is making a renewed push to find out how many.

Six Republicans and eight Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee have asked the nation’s top intelligence official for the number of Americans’ emails and phone calls collected under programs authorized by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. […]

Intelligence officials have tried to assuage concerns of Congress and others by saying that any domestic communications collected are “incidental” to the targeting of foreigners. They say Section 702 allows the government to target only non-U.S. persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States. They say the law explicitly bars the government from targeting a foreigner to acquire the communications of an American or someone in the U.S. But they say intelligence agencies are authorized under Section 702 to query communications made with U.S. persons under certain cases with certain approvals. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 201605; 702renewal; aclu; bulkdata; cpusa; fisa; frankdonner; jameeljasser; jasser; obama; prism; rop; section702; spies; spooks; spyagencies; surveillance; surveillancestate; wyden; yeswescan

1 posted on 05/07/2016 7:59:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
They lied to us and to congress before
what makes you think they are telling the truth now ?
2 posted on 05/07/2016 8:07:37 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Olog-hai

And I’m sure they will!! /s


3 posted on 05/07/2016 8:08:29 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Olog-hai
Even though the bulk collection of Americans’ telephone records has ended, calls and emails are still being swept up by U.S. surveillance work targeting foreigners.

At least that's what the Germans would have us believe.

4 posted on 05/07/2016 8:10:03 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Olog-hai

Even though the bulk collection of Americans’ telephone records has ended


Yeah, uh huh, sure. We believe that, honest, we do......


5 posted on 05/07/2016 8:10:15 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem with putting guys like Obama in power, is that they have no concept what abuse of power is.

Obama has a nine year old’s grasp of power. He thinks adults can do anything they want. He thinks presidents can do anything they want.

This is a nine year old child we’re dealing with.

If we don’t want abuse of power, put someone in office who understands power and that there are actually limits.

What prepared Obama to be president?

His highest claim to fame was being given government funds to parcel out. He was a freakin community organizer.

LOL

That was presidential material?


6 posted on 05/07/2016 8:26:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: Olog-hai

I wasn’t aware that the intelligence agencies answered to the government. I thought they only answered to the deep state and generally set their own policy.

In any case, they told us the truth. The Germans Brits and Aussies spy on Americans. Then they all swap data.


7 posted on 05/07/2016 8:52:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: DoughtyOne

This isn’t just an Obama thing. Bush was up to his eyeballs in it.


8 posted on 05/07/2016 8:54:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Olog-hai
Congress is making a renewed push to ________....

What a bunch of crap. The only thing Congress is making a renewed push to is the status quo...and their pensions.

9 posted on 05/07/2016 8:56:56 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai

I think the British probably capture everything of ours, and we capture everything of theirs. Then we simply trade the data to get around the domestic spying rules of our respective countries.

Freegards


10 posted on 05/07/2016 9:00:19 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Olog-hai

This is a complicated situation and if you look at who is trying to get this information, it is the hardcore Left, not some bunch of inquisitive liberals.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore), hardcore Leftists, 24/7
ACLU - Jameel Jasser - all you have to know is that he’s a bigwig with the ACLU, one of the most anti-intelligence organizations in American history, and whose onetime leader at Yale Un’s project on Intelligence Surveillance was a key Communist Party USA “security officer” Frank Donner.

Brennan Center for Justice - one of the latest far-left anti-intelligence organizations hiding in a major university. Some of the key staffers/professors are well-known Marxists or sympathizers. I’ll try to find the names of the top ones and post it.

Intelligence intercepts overseas are extremely valuable to protecting the US homeland because most major espionage, subversion, and sabotage operations start there, not at a McDonald’s.

And yes, Americans or foreign nationals in the US do communicate with our enemies by the internet, phone systems, mail, and in face-to-face meetings. It is just that you don’t know about it (9/11 ring any bells - Germany)?

Their is at least two major lists of key members of the so-called “anti-war” or “anti-Vietnam” protest movements which have the names of scores of Americans who met with the Cubans, No. Vietnamese communists, Red China communists, and Soviet intelligence/KGB and possibly GRU, in Moscow and around the world, esp. at Soviet “peace” front meetings (Paris, Bratislava, Montreal, Helsinki, Jakarta, E. Berlin,etc) to help defeat the US in Indochina.

One such list is found at www.keywiki.org. Search under the terms “North Vietnam/Hanoi Visitors during the War” . Another major list is at the massive 25,000 page+ study of the Hanoi Lobby put together by veteran researcher/journalist Roger Canfield in his “AmeriCong” study.

Our nation’s enemies don’t sleep, be they communists, Islamic jihadists, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, PA, or Mexican irredentists, among others.

We need to know what they are doing, and who they are communicating with.

Our laws to address these threats need to be realistic, up-to-date, functional, and widespread.

Right now I wouldn’t trust 90% of the members of Congress from either party to understand what is going on in the world of subversion and espionage, let alone understand the real scope of the threat our nation is facing.

Even the FBI has been caught flat-footed (pardon the term, no pun intended) many times in the past few years. The Dept. of Homeland Security as a guiding institution is almost worthless as is its leader Jeh Johnson, a man who proves the axiom that incompetence rises to the top.

The Red Chinese naval and air build-up has caught our Dept. of Defense with their proverbial pants down around their ankles, as has Peking’s cyberwarfare programs which are extremely effective.

Thanks to Hillary Clinton, some of our classified lines of communication have been breeched. Edward Snowden and his fairy friend Chelsea Manning have done untold harm to our security as well as that of our allies.

If you know how to read between the lines of public statements on what Snowden has released, you will understand just how badly he has hurt our international intelligence operations.

Remember, just because someone is elected to Congress or the presidency, it doesn’t mean that they are pro-America. Nor are some members of their staffs. Friends and myself have helped expose major internal security leaks and enemy operatives in Congress, ranging from KGB operatives to local communists and sympathizers.

One day I hope that all of this will be declassified and released to the public (only a tiny part of this story has actually been published in a few conservative papers. The Wash. Post and NY Times couldn’t afford to publish these exposes because it would reveal that they often used some of these people are sources/leakers).

Just because someone in Congress wants to expose what the CIA or FBI is doing, even if it only what their budgets are, don’t assume it is because they care about having these agencies run properly.


11 posted on 05/07/2016 11:35:00 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

bkmk


12 posted on 05/08/2016 12:54:06 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Fedora

Bump


13 posted on 06/07/2017 12:24:10 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; All
One such list is found at www.keywiki.org. Search under the terms “North Vietnam/Hanoi Visitors during the War” . Another major list is at the massive 25,000 page+ study of the Hanoi Lobby put together by veteran researcher/journalist Roger Canfield in his “AmeriCong” study.

Excellent resources--highly recommended.

14 posted on 06/07/2017 5:25:16 PM PDT by Fedora
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