DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney: Islamist ‘Self-Radicalization’ Is a ‘Surreal’ Myth

Breitbart ^ | Jun 2016 | JOHN HAYWARD 15

[Lurkinanloomin]

All they have to do is read the Koran and believe it.
Once they start following Mad Mo’s example, the rest of us are in peril.

[marron]

If he cheered the destruction of the Twin Towers as a kid, that had to come from somewhere. It came from his family, and it came early in life.

He was born here, because he father was allowed to come here. He should not have been.

The system is not designed to catch people like this, in fact it seems designed to not catch people like this. They allowed his father to immigrate, he was allowed to work for a Homeland Security subcontractor, he was investigated by FBI who decided that suspicions about him were bigotry.

[SandRat]

Is that Mr Haney from “Green ACRES”?

[Sacajaweau]

Born and raised muslim....raised to kill...it’s their command.

[piasa]

He’s right on them not doing things on their own... the AQ sleepers could think up all kinds of plots but always had to propose them to bin Laden and the other leaders for approval.

[trebb]

The system is not designed to catch people like this, in fact it seems designed to not catch people like this. They allowed his father to immigrate, he was allowed to work for a Homeland Security subcontractor, he was investigated by FBI who decided that suspicions about him were bigotry.

The system seems to be designed to never catch people like this - it turns out a gun shop turned him in for "odd requests/questions" and the Feebs did nothing....

[Thud]

The perp spent ten days in Saudi Arabia beyond our surveillance.

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/53110.html

"Omar Mateen spent ten days in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in 2011 and 2012. There is no way that all the associates of Mateen in those two trips can be known in four days. Nor what if any training or Islamist materials Mateen might have received on small items like USB drives while on those trips.?

[Thud]

It gets worse:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/15/mateens-twin-trips-to-saudi-arabia-raise-suspicions.html

"... Orlando gunman Omar Mateen’s two trips to Saudi Arabia, one of which was a pricey package that included four-star accommodations and fancy meals, were highly unusual and may have been cover for terror training, according to experts.

… Mateen’s first trip to Saudi Arabia was for 10 days, and the jaunt a year later was for eight. The 2011 trip was arranged by U.S.-based Islamic travel agency Dar El Salam and was a package the company calls the “Sacred Caravan Umrah.”

The package costs up to $4,000 and is generally comprised of four nights at four-star accommodations in Mecca and six nights in Medina, complete with buffet meals, sightseeing and religious studies and lectures.

The travel agency did not respond to a request for comment.

The second trip included a stop in the United Arab Emirates, but the exact itinerary of either trip is not known. The FBI, which searched Mateen’s condominium in Fort Pierce, Fla., overnight Sunday and into Monday morning, taking a computer and several other items, declined to comment on what investigators may have learned about Mateen’s travels.

Muslim leaders said it was unusual for Mateen to have made two visits to Saudi Arabia in consecutive years — the first when he was just 24.

“It’s not cheap to do so and people that young usually don’t go twice,” said Adnan Khan, former leader of the Council of Pakistan-American Affairs. “And especially considering he appeared not to have come from a staunchly religious background.”

Two trips in as many years is a bright red flag, said Mauro…”

[ssfromla]

The perp spent ten days in Saudi Arabia beyond our surveillance. That should've been a big Clue for anyone. But our Government has been infiltrated by Muslims and the rest of them are wicked.

Wicked for not doing anything, saying anything and loving the government money, retirement and health plans not to mention jobs for life instead of their country.

[Thud]

Make that 18 days - ten the first time and eight the next year.

It is at least reasonably possible, if not likely, that Mateen was recruited as a terrorist while in Arabia. Whether he received any terrorist training while there, in view of his known marksmanship skill (head shot on a Orlando SWAT trooper stopped by the military-style helmet), depends on the firearms training he may have as a security guard.

And at that this point we must consider whether the 2nd FBI investigation of Mateen was even aware that there had been a prior FBI investigation of him.

[familyop]

"DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney: Islamist ‘Self-Radicalization’ Is a ‘Surreal’ Myth"

True. Such theories require unrealistic tangents from logic and don't make sense.

[x]

If all it takes to make a terrorist is reading a book and believing it, that's "self-radicalization."

"Terrorism," the way the authorities use the word always involves some ideology, and that ideology is almost always shared with somebody else in the world.

Somebody who commits acts of violence because they don't like their utility bills or because they love Jody Foster or because they hear voices isn't a "terrorist" in the way the word is usually used.

The distinction isn't between terrorists who have been influenced in some way by something outside themselves and killers who came up with some idea entirely on their own. It's between people who've been trained and are an official member of an organization, and those who act on their own without any direction or training.

We don't yet know which category Mateen fits into, but a lot of the commentary is just confusing things.