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Archbishop Chaput's column: Some personal thoughts on the months ahead [Trump, Hillary equally bad.]
catholicphilly.com ^ | 12 Aug 2016 | Archbp. Charles Chaput

Posted on 08/13/2016 8:43:50 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan

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To: Montana_Sam

Several years ago, Chaput wrote an article about who was to blame for the fact that the Democrat party became pro-abortion.

Did he assign any blame to the bishops, who for forty years have treated pro-abortion katholyk politicians as “Catholics in good standing,” giving them medals, various honors, Communion, etc.? Not on your life. He never mentioned the bishops at all.

Chaput put 100% of the blame on the laity—because, as the Democrats became pro-abortion, the Catholic laity left the party and became Republicans!

I have seen other articles by Chaput in which he wrote about some problems in the Church, and it was as if the bishops didn’t even exist!


61 posted on 08/14/2016 6:22:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: stockpirate

I agree—IF what they are going to say is that Catholics have no obligation to vote for pro-life candidates in order to keep pro-abortion fanatics (who are also persecutors of the Church) out of office.

Because that is what Chaput is saying.


62 posted on 08/14/2016 6:36:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
The relationship of the Catholic Church in this country to the Democrat Party is a strange one. Historically, the majority of Catholics arriving on our shores became Democrats (this includes every single one of my immigrant ancestors) for reasons utterly and completely unrelated to doctrine. A Catholic could, in good conscience, be a Democrat. That particular Catholic experience reached its zenith in the election of JFK.

However, in the last 50 years, the Democratic Party platform has drifted into open hostility toward Catholicism on nearly every point of doctrine, yet, the kissy-face relationship is possibly stronger than ever. Why?

Is it money? Does the Catholic Church depend on government largess to operate? Is it purely the open borders policy of the Democrats the ensures there will be church going Catholics to replace those who have drifted away probably never to return?

I wonder if there's a more practical, or cynical, reason. Perhaps the bishops realize the party most likely to march them off to death camps is the Democrat Party so it's (excuse the mixed metaphor) better to feed the crocodile hoping it will eat you last than to poke the bear.

63 posted on 08/14/2016 6:49:45 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

The bishops get $80 million/year for resettling “refugees.” But I don’t think that’s the whole reason for the bishops’ No Borders position.

Catholic Charities gets 90% of its money FROM GOVERNMENT.

Also, I don’t think it’s primarily about replacing Anglos who have departed. Hispanics are leaving the Church, too, and are even less generous to the Church than other Catholics. Hispanics get married at an even lower rate than whites. Baptism, Confirmation, and especially marriage in the Church, are collapsing.

I think it’s more deeply ideological. The last several Popes have deliberately appointed leftists. Also, bishops in America CHOOSE THEIR SUCCESSORS! This is NOT the case elsewhere. What this means is that the cowards who caved on contraception picked their successors, who picked their successors, etc., and each generation since 1968 has become more cowardly, more homosexual, more pro-abortion, more socialist—more Democrat.

Cupich is a perfect example of this trend—hand-picked by the Pope at the urging of the most notorious homosexual in the American hierarchy, Donna Wuerl.

The Catholic Church today, most emphatically including the Pope, is in the grip of the one-world, globalist, collectivist, totalitarian, eco-extremist, carbon-taxing freaks.

And who appointed these legions of Marxist stinkers? Saint John Paul II!


64 posted on 08/14/2016 8:11:04 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Oratam

If you read Chaput’s article—and previous articles—what you pick up is that he fully realizes how evil the Democrat platform is. AMONG BISHOPS, Chaput is considered a rabid pro-lifer.

BUT, like most bishops, Chaput IS a Democrat. (No matter how much he trumpets that he’s a registered Independent.) He sees voting for a Republican as such a monstrous evil that it isn’t justified, no matter how evil the Democrats are.

Thus, Chaput counsels doing nothing to prevent Hillary’s election. This is known as “remaining pure.”


65 posted on 08/14/2016 8:36:38 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Sorry, your Excellency. We have to choose one or the other NOTA is not an option. Trump is the least bad, and he's making all the right enemies.
66 posted on 08/14/2016 9:01:49 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: Arthur McGowan

This is a good article.

Donald Trump and The Pharisees

http://www.jamespatrickriley.com/index.php/religious-spirit/


67 posted on 08/14/2016 9:21:12 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Go Back to Mama!.... And Your Mother's Voting for Trump!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

The Archbishop should instead be spending his time reminding Catholics that it is a serious wrong to vote for a candidate who vocally favors things like abortion and homosexual and transgender issues.


68 posted on 08/14/2016 9:30:06 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent (EEe)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Wait til Hillary appoints Cecil Richards as Secretary of HSS.

“A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.”
Saint John Paul II


69 posted on 08/14/2016 9:44:22 AM PDT by victim soul (victim soul)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I mispoke. I is not class envy when I think about it and I was wrong to say it.

Rather he is probably clerical. And he is not gracious to lay people who disagree with him.


70 posted on 08/14/2016 2:35:30 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: All

This Catholic is going to VOTE for Mr. Trump because at least keeping the best interests of the USA in mind.


71 posted on 08/14/2016 3:13:33 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: impimp

Chaput is one of those bishops who love to be thought of as “pro-life,” provided that doesn’t imply voting for a REPUBLICAN!!!


72 posted on 08/14/2016 3:42:38 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: amihow

Chaput is VERY clerical. The bishops can do no wrong. In situations where the Church is in heap big trouble—collapsing marriage stats, horrible catechesis, pro-abortion politicians—the bishops simply do not exist.


73 posted on 08/14/2016 5:13:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Prince of Space

I left a comment. It’s either still in Limbo, or has been sent to that place where Chaput sends all comments that don’t sound as if they were written by his chancellor.


74 posted on 08/14/2016 5:14:23 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dragonblustar

This Riley guy has more intelligence, integrity, and Christianity in his pinkie fingernail than Chaput has in ten generations of his family tree.


75 posted on 08/14/2016 6:31:07 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dragonblustar

This Riley guy has more intelligence, integrity, and Christianity in his pinkie fingernail than Chaput has in ten generations of his family tree.


76 posted on 08/14/2016 6:31:17 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
I've been posting a quote from Yuri Bezmenov, the ex-KGB propagandist and later defector to the West. He reveals the decades-long strategy for first demoralizing the American people then destabilizing the country.

The hierarchy in this country is clearly demoralized. In fact, I would guess they were demoralized even earlier through the successful effort by the Soviets to infiltrate then run our seminaries.

Throw them all out.

77 posted on 08/15/2016 3:57:12 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

There are only 10-20 actual pro-life bishops in the U.S. All the rest give Communion to pro-abortion katholyk politicians.

There are many bishops like Chaput who write articles that please pro-lifers, but when push comes to shove, bishops—like Chaput—who give Communion to pro-aborts always stab pro-lifers in the back.

If Hillary wins, the katholyk bishops-like Chaput—will have victory in their 45-year war to destroy the pro-life movement.


78 posted on 08/15/2016 8:51:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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