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Ford will ask Trump to cut fuel-economy rules, CEO says; 'no demand' for hybrid, electric cars
Green Car Reports ^ | Dec 5, 2016 | Stephen Edelstein

Posted on 12/05/2016 8:48:34 AM PST by GonzoII

Last week, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled that existing emissions limits for passenger cars for 2022 through 2025 should remain in place.

It's a decision that is already opposed by lobbyists representing the auto industry, and possibly by the incoming Trump Administration.

Sure enough, one automaker says it has already begun talks with President-elect Donald Trump that include a request for lower emissions targets.

(Excerpt) Read more at greencarreports.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; electriccars; epa; ford; fordmotor; fueleconomy; hybrid; regulations; trump; trumpagenda; trumptransition
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I see a lot of hybrids on the road, even in rural KY. I’ve been to Phoenix, Seattle, Indianapolis and Chicago in the last couple of months and I saw TONS of them in the cities.

What gives?


41 posted on 12/05/2016 9:21:26 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“...’no demand’ for hybrid, electric cars”

Well just think a minute.

They couldn’t very well say anything like that while they were getting handouts from “O”.

NOW they can say that.


42 posted on 12/05/2016 9:21:58 AM PST by SMARTY ("What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self. "M. Stirner)
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To: GonzoII

Close down the EPA and fire them all!


43 posted on 12/05/2016 9:22:46 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: GonzoII

No demand for electric hybrids? Coal/nuclear/natural gas cars don’t sell? Even with $7,000 government handouts?

Unexpected.


44 posted on 12/05/2016 9:24:19 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: az_gila
Note that my comments are for hybrids only, not the all-electric cars.

Actually, you have to further refine your criteria -- the only hybrids on that list are "plug-in" hybrids.

Most Toyota Prius' are not plug-in.

45 posted on 12/05/2016 9:26:17 AM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: ConservativeMind

Wouldn’t doubt it.

My issue is that the Fusion has no V6 option when the body could easily support it. Take a lesser version of the Taurus V6 block, put it in the Fusion, ax the I4, and sell the hybrid as the alternative. If someone really is hankering for the I4, sell them the Fiesta/Focus Titanium.


46 posted on 12/05/2016 9:26:27 AM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: justlurking

Why not try a Koenigsegg? Total of 1400 combined hybrid horsepower! For those with a “spare” $3 million!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Vkye5X2Gw


47 posted on 12/05/2016 9:27:34 AM PST by vette6387
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To: setha

You forgot the great, versatile STATION WAGON!!!
The oversize, bulky SUV is so popular because it basically has become the substitute for my old Custom Cruiser wagon.
With the rear seat down, you could drop a 4X8 sheet into a vast storage/freight space. The kids could be put to bed in the back, and often were.
Now it is the SUV that will carry all the stuff, and have room for the bags of groceries and sporting stuff.
I miss my wagon.


48 posted on 12/05/2016 9:27:42 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: bigbob

They’re doing SNCR on truck exhaust? NFW....


49 posted on 12/05/2016 9:28:41 AM PST by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: cymbeline
It is comfortable, economical, well-balanced and responsive. It is easy to maintain. The engine, even after 110,000 miles, burns zero oil (might be the super-efficient air filter it uses). It is quiet and has a nice higher-end stereo system. You can find it for around/under $8,000 used in good condition with 80,000 - 90,000 miles. We bought one (2012) used a year ago for $8,800 (84,000 miles) and loved it so much that we bought a second one (2010) at 96,000 miles for $6,000.

The cars will last a good, long, time and the batteries this model uses are magnesium, which Ford has shown to last over 260,000 miles and still not need replacement.

50 posted on 12/05/2016 9:29:31 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Mr. Douglas
I see a lot of hybrids on the road, even in rural KY. I’ve been to Phoenix, Seattle, Indianapolis and Chicago in the last couple of months and I saw TONS of them in the cities.

Good gas mileage. However, tt current gas prices, the additional cost of a new hybrid doesn't justify it, but that hasn't always been the case.

And, as someone has pointed out: you can now buy used hybrids for the same price as a comparable non-hybrid.

The real question: is this a temporary or permanent situation? It's difficult to predict.

51 posted on 12/05/2016 9:31:05 AM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: All

People,

“Hybrids” HAVE GASOLINE ENGINES. If you check the Fuelly site, they quote the gas mileage results for 1000s of cars that people post, and average them together.

These cars have gasoline engines. They are almost always SMALL gasoline engines. If you check the gasoline mileage on a car WITHOUT a propulsion battery but with the same size gasoline engine you see numbers like 32 mpg. For a “hybrid” with a propulsion battery and that same size gasoline engine, you see numbers like 43 mpg.

This means the gas engine is pushing that car around 3/4 of the time.

You’re paying for the battery and charging / motor stuff and it’s only used 1/4 of the time.

This entire concept is a scam.


52 posted on 12/05/2016 9:35:02 AM PST by Owen
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To: justlurking

“There aren’t many 4000 lb sedans that will do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. “

The all-wheel drive version of the Tesla does it in less than two seconds!


53 posted on 12/05/2016 9:35:27 AM PST by vette6387
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To: GonzoII

I don’t think they would have to ask.


54 posted on 12/05/2016 9:36:35 AM PST by SoFloFreeper (Isaiah 25:8)
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To: BlueStateRightist

I see what you did there.


55 posted on 12/05/2016 9:37:39 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: GonzoII

I had a 64 chev 4 door with a peanut 6 in it. I got 24 MPG with it.
That was before my hotrod days. The 65 dodge two door got 6 MPG..of course it had a 440 mag, with a cam and with a 6 pack on top and 4 speed.


56 posted on 12/05/2016 9:38:34 AM PST by crz
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To: TheTimeOfMan

why? what constitutional role does the federal gov’t have telling manufacturers what kind of car to build? why isn’t a free market a better barometer?


57 posted on 12/05/2016 9:39:58 AM PST by SoFloFreeper (Isaiah 25:8)
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To: vette6387
Why not try a Koenigsegg? Total of 1400 combined hybrid horsepower!

The Youtube video is for the Agera-R. I think you meant the Regera:

http://koenigsegg.com/regera/

With only a bit more than 5 cubic feet in the trunk (and that's eliminated if you remove and store the hardtop), it makes a road trip a bit difficult. I wouldn't want one just to drive around town.

58 posted on 12/05/2016 9:40:25 AM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: Owen

Not true. The motor assists the engine at all speeds, at least in the Ford Fusions.


59 posted on 12/05/2016 9:41:25 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: GonzoII

The artificial increase in fuel cost was supposed to force a demand for hybrids and electric vehicles.
Instead, once fuel prices edged close to five a gallon, people demanded oil exploration and the heads of the politicians pushing for inflated fuel costs.


60 posted on 12/05/2016 9:41:39 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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