Posted on 02/15/2017 1:25:31 PM PST by Olog-hai
Yeah.
Two States out of the Palestinian Mandate.
Jordan
Israel
Good Solution, and meets the Palestinian Mandates requirements.
The Israelis have already built their wall so they are one step ahead.
Thing is, these Arab invaders are not Jordanian. They want to conquer Jordan after they conquer Israel and have said so repeatedly; they know that they themselves are not of Jordan. Their “Palestinian state” is just a stepping-stone towards restoration of the Ottoman Caliphate; that’s why their context is “pan-Arabism”.
Norbert ROTTEN! There, fixed it!
“Thing is, these Arab invaders are not Jordanian. They want to conquer Jordan after they conquer Israel and have said so repeatedly; they know that they themselves are not of Jordan. Their “Palestinian state” is just a stepping-stone towards restoration of the Ottoman Caliphate; that’s why their context is “pan-Arabism”.”
So what are they going to to about Iranians, who are NOT Arabs?
heh heh
Ottomans weren’t Arabs either.
That’s another thing that the pan-Arabism is about. Originally though, what with no such regime in Iran (during the days of the Shah), that was not a concern.
Notwithstanding, a worldwide Ummah is still their goal after they have what they regard as their rightful caliphate back.
Ha! Said it first..Muslim and non-muslim Germany, standed side by side (sort of).
A German using the word "solution" when talking about Jews makes me nervous.
1. Was there ever a “Palestinian State”? No.
2. With the Arab war against the newly independent state of Israel, the “West Bank” and the Eastern side of Jerusalem ended up in the hands of the Arab state of the Kingdom of Jordan. Gaza remained under the administration of the Arab state of Egypt. Over time, Jordan formally annexed the West Bank. Neither Jordan nor Egypt considered establishing a “Palestinian” state. Yet, neither Jordan nor Egypt assimilated the occupants of the West Bank or Gaza as citizens.
3. During the war with Israel the states whose armies warred against Israel, and local Arab leaders, encouraged Arabs in places they could not hold to leave their villages, promising to help them in camps they’d create for “refugees”.
4. At the end of the first Israeli-Arab war, Arabs who remained within the national boundaries of Israel were given Israeli citizenship. Arabs who remained in the West Bank and Gaza, and those that fled to those areas were not made citizens of Jordan or Egypt. The Arabs instead left, intentionally, displaced Arabs in “refugee camps” and insisted on UN funding for them. They preferred permanent Arab hostages in refugee camps, for their political war against Israel, instead of assimilating any displaced Arabs.
5. About 1 million Jews were settled across the Middle East (outside of the “British Mandate of Palestine”) in 1948. Between 1948 and 1972 approximately 820,000 Jews were forced to flee Arab and Muslim majority countries in the Middle East; due to official harassment, pogroms, property confiscation and being officially expelled. About 200,000 made their way to Europe & North America while the rest landed in terribly insecure and impoverished Israel - but Israel took them in.
6. There is a two state status already - Israel and Jordan. The peace agreement over the West Bank needs to be between Israel and Jordan. They need to agree on a transition period of joint administration, where a history of peace and security can be established, after which some of the West Bank would be formerly incorporated into Jordan. A similar process between Israel and Egypt needs to happen vis-a-vis Gaza. That will provide Jordan and Egypt with much responsibility for ending “Palestinian” acts of terrorism against Israel, as well as internal security in those areas. The agreements would be predicated on Egypt & Jordan’s success at carryout all their responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza, including gradual-to-full political rights in their countries to the residents there. Israel would be permitted, by agreement, to end that process if Jordan and Egypt fail to carryout all their responsibilities.
7. Israel today has a population that is about 20% Arab. They are citizens with all the rights of citizens, and participate in every area of business, education and government. One is a jurist who sits on the Supreme Court of Israel. Where are the 1,000 1948 Jewish residents of the Arab and Muslim states? Are they and/or their descendants similarly assimilated into the business, education and political life of those countries? No. Most no longer have even a remnant left in their once former countries. ALL the claims about Israel being a “racist” state are 180 degrees from the reality of their Arab-Muslim majority neighbors in the region. There will not be a “right of return”. The actions of the Arab-Muslim majority states in the region and the Arabs they pushed into “refugee” status have destroyed any good-will possibility of accepting that, while Israel did the opposite - made everyone in its borders, Arab or Jew citizens. Israel did its part already. It’s time the Arabs quit making impossible demands and accepted the full responsibility for the conditions created over time by their refusal to put peace above all else as their main priority.
The “Palestinians” regard Jordan as a state independent of the united Arab caliphate that they intend to conquer.
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East and West Israel. Worked well for Germany
1. Germany isn’t in the Middle East.
2. OK. Try the two-state solution out on Syria first by partitioning it into Kurdistan and Syria. Do the same in Iraq, Iran and Turkey, and get back to us with the results.
3. Why only in the Middle East? Don’t Basques and Ruthenians deserve their own states?
4. Didn’t partitioning Yugoslavia work great? You go slavia. I go slavia. We all go slavia.
While we’re at it, what is wrong with the UK? Just because they spent a few centuries uniting into one country doesn’t mean they’re exempt. Get with the program, folks. As Mel Gibson said once while pretending to be tortured to death: “FREEEEEEEEDOM!” for Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Corning, and for that matter separate the Highlands from the Lowlands in Scotland, and Northumberland from the rest of England (they talk funny up there).
Yeah. I support a two state solution too: Israel and Jordan. They can take their pick.
At some point in this discussion, one must surely ask: “Why should ANY American take the advice of ANY German?
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