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Republicans Cave On ObamaCare
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 3/7/2017 | Staff

Posted on 03/07/2017 7:54:56 AM PST by IBD editorial writer

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To: JPJones

I’m going to see what the final result is.

It’s better than what we had, but it still sucks. It’s a start, though.

Start mailing the WH and Congress and make your voices heard; don’t just kvetch on FR.


61 posted on 03/07/2017 12:51:42 PM PST by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: DoodleDawg
It's a vicious circle, as it is now. If people couldn't pay for their cancer care, cheaper solutions would be found. There'd be more insistence to find what causes cancer. Besides that, there'd be incentive to find real cures, not just pharmaceuticals that have to be paid for as long as people are alive. What we have now is not sustainable.

I remember a discussion in a college Philosophy class back in the 1960s. It was about the ethics of developing cures for diseases that not everyone could afford.

62 posted on 03/07/2017 1:17:13 PM PST by grania
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To: IBD editorial writer

Republicans just cannot bring themselves to repealing entitlements for the Takers. The media would depict them as meanies. They are cowards.


63 posted on 03/07/2017 2:16:20 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The uniparty strikes again.

There is not one scintilla of difference between the gop-e and the rat-e.

Drain the swamp.


64 posted on 03/07/2017 4:56:06 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (It's no longer Right versus left, but Americanism versus globalist scum.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

If you use Obamacare, which is a welfare system, you should not vote, period, and show wish to eventually get your own insurance.


65 posted on 03/07/2017 5:10:54 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: LS

“Excuse me, but for 8 years Rush and everyone else has been saying “Get rid of the individual mandate and Obamacare is dead.”

Yup.

“Now that’s suddenly not true?”

That was my point too.

The Mandate was the main thing to get rid of, they’ve done it!

Everything else is just nitpickting.

If you don’t like the plan, then just imagine what we would be facing if Hitlery won.


66 posted on 03/07/2017 6:41:17 PM PST by JPJones (George Washington's Tariffs were Patriotic. Build a Wall and Build a Wall of tariffs.)
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67 posted on 03/07/2017 11:45:15 PM PST by vikingrinn
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To: Beagle8U

They PASSED IT by ‘reconciliation’ with only 51 votes- we can repeal it the same way.

They used the worst trickery I have ever seen to get it passed. Something of this magnitude required 60 votes. But they some how sent it back and said OK the original form will only require 51...

REPEAL THE STUPID THING FIRST

THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING IT THAT IS WORSE THAN KEEPING IT FOR ONE MORE DAY.

CURRENT COST PER ‘INSURED’ IS $400,000


68 posted on 03/08/2017 9:50:21 AM PST by Mr. K (Go Trump!)
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To: Mr. K

“They PASSED IT by ‘reconciliation’ with only 51 votes- we can repeal it the same way.”

You don’t seem to get it that we don’t have 51 votes to repeal anything! At best we have 45 we can depend on.


69 posted on 03/08/2017 10:18:04 AM PST by Beagle8U (Long live Yoga Pants! ( and boycott 84 lumber. Let's bankrupt the bastards!))
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To: Beagle8U

We certainly dont need 60 though.


70 posted on 03/08/2017 12:51:44 PM PST by Mr. K (Go Trump!)
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To: JPJones

But the individual mandate can be re-instated by the next congress

Watch... As it starts to implode, they will Oops we need to EXTEND it


71 posted on 03/08/2017 12:52:54 PM PST by Mr. K (Go Trump!)
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To: Jim 0216

Rush mentioned something today in passing that stuck with me. He said US senators must fundraise EVERY DAY. Reelection is their first, second and last purpose. If they pass a constitutional law, it is an accident.


72 posted on 03/08/2017 2:17:21 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

Someday - term limits.

Now - state nullification of clearly unconstitutional federal acts (power of state sovereignty confirmed by the tenth amendment).


73 posted on 03/08/2017 4:37:06 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
The states relinquished legal sovereignty, the power to nullify superior law, when they condoned special conventions of the people to ratify the Constitution.
74 posted on 03/08/2017 4:56:51 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Amendment X.

The tenth amendment confirms that any power not delegated to the feds by the Constitution or prohibited to the states belong to the states and the people of those states. So any federal act that clearly assumes unconstitutional power (there are many such acts) are ACTUALLY powers of the states. So constitutional state sovereignty as confirmed by the tenth amendment allows nullification and voiding unconstitutional federal acts because those acts impinge upon the constitutional powers of the states.

75 posted on 03/08/2017 8:26:08 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jacquerie
Jacquerie, in the same vein, I also think it's important to clarify what is legitimate federal "superior law", which the Constitution calls "supreme law" (U.S Const. art VI, cl 2).

Law school makes no distinction about federal law. There you're taught that generally all federal law is superior to state law (with the caveat of the Erie Doctrine). (But then law school doesn't really teach you the Constitution as written an originally understood an intended.)

But the Constitution does make a distinction about federal law.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof...shall be the supreme Law of the Land. (Id.)

If Congress passes constitutional ("in pursuance") legislation then that legislation is the supreme (or "superior") law of the land. The states have no constitutional grounds to reject such law and that has been the problem is times past with so-called state nullification.

But if Congress does not legislate according to and within the confines of the Constitution, then their legislation is not "made in pursuance and, therefore, not constitutionally the supreme (or superior) law of the land. In that case, the states, or another federal branch, may challenge the act with reasonable constitutionally-based rationale.

76 posted on 03/09/2017 9:42:23 AM PST by Jim W N
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