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Former Sen. Coburn pushes for Article V Convention to limit federal power
Washington Times ^ | May 23, 2017 | Sally Persons

Posted on 05/23/2017 8:11:24 AM PDT by rdl6989

Former Sen. Tom Coburn reiterated his calls for an Article V Convention to rein in the federal government.

Mr. Coburn first proposed the Article V convention idea when he was still in the Senate, but the idea has started to get traction with 12 states signing on to be part of it.

The proposal aims to re-balance the branches of government and the federal and state governments as well. An Article V Convention can be invoked when two-thirds of state legislatures call to change the Constitution.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: article5; conventionofstates
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1 posted on 05/23/2017 8:11:24 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

F*ck the filthy Obamacare cheerleader.
I voted for this POS when he entered politics, and then he went full bore Orrin Hatch in later years.


2 posted on 05/23/2017 8:18:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: rdl6989

the minute article 5 is invoked, the media, libs, rinos, etc. will do a pigpile on the second amendment. there is absolutely no way that this can be controlled, especially in this day and age.


3 posted on 05/23/2017 8:20:57 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle

Will it include what to do with Calif?


4 posted on 05/23/2017 8:26:41 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: MrEdd

Waits until he has no power to push this.

He would be up in front with McCain and Graham bashing DJT. He bought into Obama’s agenda hook line and sinker.


5 posted on 05/23/2017 8:33:52 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: camle

Yup, well said!
That is Exactly what I’ve told Article V ConCon fan-girls and boys that are myopically always bringing up this Pandora’s box.
Our Constitution is not flawed.
Its our current culture that’s morally flawed.
Politicians merely reflect the people who allow them to hold office.

For every thousand who strike away at branches of evil, only one strikes at its root.

RE: “the minute article 5 is invoked, the media, libs, rinos, etc. will do a pigpile on the second amendment. There is absolutely no way that this can be controlled, especially in this day and age.”


6 posted on 05/23/2017 8:38:26 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: rdl6989

IF Tom Coburn would but read the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution he would find that they already do limit federal power.

Why is that I can never find a Con Con Conner that can answer one very simple question, “Exactly what is you want to change and why?”

99% of the arse holes wanting a con con don’t even know we are a Republic and not a democracy.


7 posted on 05/23/2017 8:43:56 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
Our Constitution is not flawed.

In your opinion. IMO and in the opinion of many others who agree with me, the US Constitutions is fatally flawed. The 16th and 17th amendments destroyed the US Constitution and federalism. Art V could correct that.

8 posted on 05/23/2017 8:44:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: camle

The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is NOT going to do you any good if the USA keeps going down the path of socialism. A Constitution that is not followed or flawed is worse than no Constitution at all. As it stands now the Constitution is just a fig leaf for the state-ist to hide behind while they nakedly destroy the USA.


9 posted on 05/23/2017 8:49:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rdl6989; All
The 16th and 17th Amendments can disappear.

Constitutionally undefined federal agencies like the EPA, IRS, etc. can disappear too.

And the repeal amendment for 16 & 17 can compliment the 10th Amendment in the following way. The repeal amendment should include a provision that requires presumed guilt of unconstitutional expansion of federal government powers for any federal government action and legislation that are questionable under any of the powers that the states have expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds.

"In every event, I would rather construe so narrowly as to oblige the nation to amend, and thus declare what powers they would agree to yield, than too broadly, and indeed, so broadly as to enable the executive and the Senate to do things which the Constitution forbids." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.

In fact, since corrupt Congress cannot be trusted to police itself with respect to making legislation that is reasonably based on powers which the states have expressly constitutionally delegated to Congress, the states need to constitutionally require Congress to reference specific constitutional clauses in all legislation to reasonably justify the legislation, regardless if one House chooses not to pass the legislation.

The state legislatures need to give themselves the same constitutional authority to collectively exercise the same powers of impeachment and removal from federal office that Congress has, including removing lawmakers from office.

Also the clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes by a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices needs to be enumerated in the Constitution.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

10 posted on 05/23/2017 8:54:14 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: central_va

A constitutional amendment is easier and just as effective.


11 posted on 05/23/2017 8:56:08 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: central_va

What public school destroyer of the Republic told you that?

Read what you said and see how stupid it is.


12 posted on 05/23/2017 8:57:09 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: rdl6989

13 posted on 05/23/2017 8:57:19 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
Why is that I can never find a Con Con Conner that can answer one very simple question, “Exactly what is you want to change and why?”

I've got a few answers:

  1. Limitations on taxation: imposing a single rate on any income-tax and disallowing exemptions, credits, and write-offs.
    Because there's way too much tomfoolery going on with the complexities of our income-tax system.
  2. Limitation on the amount of debt that can be incurred.
    Twenty Trillion Dollars.
  3. Limitations on the valuation of money; to wit, elimination of fiat money in favor of a physical currency. (ie gold or solver standard)
    Having the tinder of the country in a physical medium prevents the absurd amounts of debt-creation we have currently. (Even if we took every single Federal Reserve Note ever made and tried to pay off the debt, we'd fall far, far short.)
  4. Repeal of the 17th Amendment
    The Senate should represent the states-as-entities, not be Super Representatives.
  5. Repudiation of Wickard v. Filburn.
    The interstate commerce clause is literally part of the same clause regarding commerce with foreign nations, so asserting that powers regulating interstate commerce applies to commerce within the state is to assert that the international commerce can regulate the commerce inside that foreign nation: this would be, at best, laughed to scorn internationally... at worst a declaration of war or subjugation of a conquered state.

14 posted on 05/23/2017 8:59:41 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: rdl6989

This crap will go the same way of the Equal Rights Amendment and the Fairtax movement...nowhere.


15 posted on 05/23/2017 9:21:53 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: camle
Do you know how many states have to approve a Convention of States? No. The answer is 2/3rds or 34 states.

Do you know how many states have to approve anything coming out of a Convention of States? No. The answer is 3/4 or 38 states. Unless you are a disturbed individual and believe that the Illuminati control the world, 38 states are not going to vote to eliminate/modify the 2nd amendment.

16 posted on 05/23/2017 9:26:58 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

Well since we can’t get any one in congress or the senate to really put forth amendments for a course correction, then it is up to the states to propose those type of amendments through the Article V convention.

I don’t understand why the few democrat controlled states don’t jump on the Article V bandwagon. This would give us 2 things; 1) get the necessary 33 states for the convention and 2) give them the opportunity to propose their changes to the electoral college. Once the 33 states are reached I’m sure the remaining 17 states would sign on and then of course the republican controlled states can shoot that down and propose some amendments that are necessary.


17 posted on 05/23/2017 9:31:17 AM PDT by shotgun
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18 posted on 05/23/2017 9:41:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: rdl6989
An Article V Convention can be invoked when two-thirds of state legislatures call to change the Constitution.
Who, besides Google, Facebook (1st amendment)
Sarah Brady, Gabby Giffords (2nd amendment)
Maxine Waters (impeachment),
State legislators who want to pick THEIR favorites to be YOUR representative (17th amendment)
to only name a few before the liberal/progressives take complete control of the process says we need to "change the constitution"?

Be careful what you wish for.

19 posted on 05/23/2017 9:46:23 AM PDT by lewislynn
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Article V ping. The story is getting legs.

20 posted on 05/23/2017 9:59:41 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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