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Did the City of Pueblo shorten lights at red light camera intersections to generate revenue?
KOAA - News 5 ^ | Jun 15, 2017 | Eric Ross

Posted on 06/16/2017 7:15:34 AM PDT by george76

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To: george76

Until red light cameras came along, I always thought the white lane stripes were a visual indication to drivers that if they were doing the speed limit and were within the white stripes, the light would remain yellow until they passed through.


21 posted on 06/16/2017 7:42:22 AM PDT by fso301
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To: george76

Any accident victims should sue the cities.


22 posted on 06/16/2017 7:46:45 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: george76

Are there data showing the cameras actually reduce accidents at those intersections? If not, then they don’t do what the politicians say they’re for (they lied).


23 posted on 06/16/2017 7:56:01 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: george76

This is generaly something a city does when they install red light cameras, they reduce yellow light times. They can also angle the camera so that it can give false tickets to those that are stopped legally.


24 posted on 06/16/2017 7:56:59 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: george76

***the yellow light at that intersection should last a minimum of 5.5 seconds. ***

I know of an intersection where the left turn arrow does not last that long! We often have to wait through two or three cycles to make a left turn.


25 posted on 06/16/2017 8:03:35 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: george76

I had a cop who pulled me over and actually told me that “yellow means stop!”

Thinking that I might avoid further hassle, I didn’t ask “Well then, what does red mean?”

Still got the ticket.


26 posted on 06/16/2017 8:06:12 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 ("Most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: laplata

I wonder how effective a crossbow bolt would be? Real quiet, crossbows are.


27 posted on 06/16/2017 8:06:57 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: laplata

I wonder how effective a crossbow bolt would be? Real quiet, crossbows are.


28 posted on 06/16/2017 8:07:04 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: george76
Did the City of Pueblo shorten lights at red light camera intersections to generate revenue?

Yes. Almost Certainly. I don't even need to read the article, or know the first thing about the story.

29 posted on 06/16/2017 8:07:41 AM PDT by wbill
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To: baltimorepoet

“I wonder what the most effective way for disabling red light cameras is?”

Green laser.


30 posted on 06/16/2017 8:11:37 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: trad_anglican
After a long legal battle, our local cities were forced to get rid of them. Good riddance.

One of the studies commissioned showed that "major accidents" - think T-Bone type accidents - had a statistically insignificant decrease at intersections with the cameras. However, "Property Damage / Minor Injury" accidents - think, rear-end fender-benders - went up dramatically at the same intersections. I'd infer that they were caused by people stomping on their brakes, trying to avoid a ticket.

The city's answer to this, of course, was to commission another study, and make sure that they were the ones who were paying the consultants so that the correct results would be obtained.

31 posted on 06/16/2017 8:13:20 AM PDT by wbill
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32 posted on 06/16/2017 8:13:58 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: baltimorepoet

Good thought. But one would need to be closer and possibly observed. A scope on a .22 would work.


33 posted on 06/16/2017 8:15:05 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives.have diseased minds.)
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To: baltimorepoet

I wonder what the most effective way for disabling red light cameras is?

https://www.google.com/search?q=spray+to+block+red+light+cameras&rlz=1CAACAO_enUS642US643&oq=Spray+to+bloc&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.9196j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

One of our younger relatives has heard that some of these companies are coming out with the ability to photo the driver and use the state dmv photo to identify the drivers!


34 posted on 06/16/2017 8:20:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are Millwall and on Flight 93 for our country! Lets Roll! For Americans and President Trump!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

There’s a traffic light near my house that crosses a major arterial, old Highway 99, which runs through Seattle. Lately I’ve noticed that the light has dramatically differing periods of green which seem unrelated to the amount of traffic.

One day, the light will be green for only 6 or 7 seconds even with heavy traffic. Later the same day, the light will remain green for 30 or more seconds even with light traffic. I don’t get it. It’s like the short green in heavy traffic is intended to snag impatient drivers who can’t believe how short the green was, and cheat a bit on the yellow.


I can top that. I’m pretty confident I know where the worst set of traffic lights in the world is... and it’s not even about revenue, just pure stupidity on the part of city officials.

The location is on the border of Hoboken and Jersey City, NJ where Patterson Avenue in Hoboken crosses the Light Rail tracks and turns into Patterson Plank Road in Jersey City. There are also two small roads feeding in — Marshall St in Hoboken and Mountain Road in Jersey City — but these are only a minor complicating factor.

The main thing is that at random times (and often enough so that Uber drivers avoid the railroad crossing and I personally have stopped riding Bus 87 which travels on that route... choosing to walk instead) all lights in all directions are red. There is no train, but all lights are red. For a long, long, long, long time.

Traffic engineering crews escorted by police units from both jurisdictions periodically come out and “study” the situation, but in the 12 years I am aware of there has been absolutely no change in this absolutely stupid situation. Like I said, it doesn’t even result in revenue. People don’t usually run red lights at railroad crossings and anyway I hardly ever see any cops around. I also don’t think there are cameras.

It’s just pure stupidity.

Somewhere there are whole departments of engineers and their supervisors and their supervisors’ supervisors all making pay and benefits and doing absolutely nothing. Year after year after year after year.

It’s no big deal to me. I never drive that way and on my commute I always walk and avoid the wait.

But it boggles my mind that it can continue... and that the sheep just accept it and don’t get angry and remove every single city official from both cities.

Whatever. I guess they just like just like sitting at lights.

Back in the days when I did ride Bus 87, BTW, I did occasionally talk to the bus drivers and say “you guys should report this”. But what do they care? It’s all in an 8-hour day to them.


35 posted on 06/16/2017 8:23:14 AM PDT by samtheman (Trump++)
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To: baltimorepoet

Crossbow, the silent killer - Colonel Crittenden.


36 posted on 06/16/2017 8:38:54 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Army Air Corps

camera company gives use of red light cameras for traffic study for FREE (as long as they are exclusive ones)

camera company lobbys for red light camera tickets

law passes but you MUST have experience.

camera company is only one able to bid for public contract.

(+campaign contributions)

cha ching!(for those in rio linda it is a cash register sound)


37 posted on 06/16/2017 8:46:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

why has there been no constitutional referenda to outlaw them?

at least outlaw tickets of citations from them.


38 posted on 06/16/2017 8:48:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: george76

The company and it’s political supporters pitch the cameras to the local government as a safety and revenue deal.

They promise the locality a lot of revenue and a little better safety.

Drivers adjust fairly quickly.

The revenue doesn’t get anywhere near the promised amounts.

So they shorten the yellow light cycle.

Drivers adjust fairly quickly again, but this time collisions increase because the yellow is so short.


39 posted on 06/16/2017 8:50:53 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: baltimorepoet

I know that Phoenix did it, why not Pueblo?

Over the years I got a lot of photo radar tickets for gliding through speed traps which I ignored. Under Arizona law if they don’t process serve you in nine months after ticket is mailed it just goes away. For some reason the address of my drivers license is always out of date.


40 posted on 06/16/2017 9:05:39 AM PDT by WMarshal (President Trump, a president keeping his promises to the American people. It feels like winning.)
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