Posted on 06/22/2017 8:39:30 AM PDT by GonzoII
Oh it’s close to unbearable I tell ya! The tone as well as what they’re saying....just repeating the same old record they’ve played for decades. They really don’t know any better nor do they understand the times.
Curious how this bill will help the millions of self-employed forced onto CrapCare with its outrageous cost structure 70% more than before. Unlikely it will solve jack.
Sounds like Schummer and Pelosi types in this thread.
“protect themselves from malpractice”
A son-in-law knows a husband and wife who both used to do OB/GYN. They both quit doing the obstetrics because of the 150k per year malpractice insurance.
They really should make HSA contributions "credits" instead of deductions.
How, in your immense intellect, do you justify that Trump is not representing us?
In simplicity: I do NOT want Obama Care fixed as I implied and Trump promised to repeal and replace during the election campaign. We are heading towards massive financial collapse and it will require massive corrections to avoid that - note: Illinois currently. Eliminate many govt agencies, eliminate much of govt spending, eliminate govt giveaways... etc. etc. etc.
The House version did NOT gut the individual and employer mandates. It merely reduced the penalty for not maintaining health insurance to $0, leaving the door wide open for a future Congress to raise it.
Instinct tells me the Senate has done the same.
Someone with clout needs to suggest to the president that if they don’t tweak this thing to be what WE want, he will put them on it. They should NOT be exempt!
Actually I just tweeted with @realdonaldtrump in my message. Not that he reads ‘em, but.....
They have.
sections 104 & 105 https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf#page=10
I love that it is a readable 175 pages. While I don’t plan on reading the whole thing I really like clear, accessible bills
SEC. 104. INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.
7 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 5000A(c) of the Internal
8 Revenue Code of 1986 is amended—
9 (1) in paragraph (2)(B)(iii), by striking ‘‘2.5
10 percent’’ and inserting ‘‘Zero percent’’, and
11 (2) in paragraph (3)—
12 (A) by striking ‘‘$695’’ in subparagraph
13 (A) and inserting ‘‘$0’’, and
14 (B) by striking subparagraph (D).
15 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
16 this section shall apply to months beginning after Decem-
17 ber 31, 2015.
As I said before, they've reduced the penalty to $0, but the mandate remains. Any future Congress can choose to re-institute the fines.
You said “Instinct tells me the Senate has done the same”, I replied “They have”. What’s the problem? I’m agreeing.
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“protect themselves from malpractice”
A son-in-law knows a husband and wife who both used to do OB/GYN. They both quit doing the obstetrics because of the 150k per year malpractice insurance.
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That’s OK, when we go single payer, no one will have standing to sue the govt = no need for malpractice insurance /s
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Curious how this bill will help the millions of self-employed forced onto CrapCare with its outrageous cost structure 70% more than before. Unlikely it will solve jack.
They really should make HSA contributions “credits” instead of deductions.
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R-I-G-H-T. That EITC has worked out real well too, no? *Geez*
Whole lotta, “They should...” when they shouldn’t BE to begin.
You didn't quote my earlier comment, so I wasn't sure what I'd said, exactly. I didn't think I was being argumentative in my reply, nut maybe it came across that way.
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Someone with clout needs to suggest to the president that if they don’t tweak this thing to be what WE want, he will put them on it. They should NOT be exempt!
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What “WE” wanted was a full repeal. (R) sure passed THAT 6x knowing it didn’t have a chance of making it through.
1st day out of the gates w/ another (R) packed D.C. (as the voters pulled their levers on their promises), *boy* did WE hear the hemming and hawing and “We don’t have a bill ready (aside from the 6 prior we could dust off and vote on tomorrow)....but we do have a 3-part plan *HEAVILY* back-loaded. But, if you’ll trust us over the next 20+yrs, we’ll make it happen.”
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As I said before, they’ve reduced the penalty to $0, but the mandate remains. Any future Congress can choose to re-institute the fines.
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And, they will...when the next cry of ‘revenue neutral’ rears its F* head (next week probably), they’ll slip in the not restored, but INCREASED amount in some 4000pg ‘rider’.
Individual mandate penalty remains...now paid to the insurance company instead of the IRS. Penalty is 30% of the monthly premium for 12 months. If you are paying $800./mo. for your family’s policy the penalty is $240.00/mo. for 12 mo. = a $2880.00 penalty. Bogus “rework” of Obamacare...full repeal 1st.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text (AHCA)
https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf (Senate changes to AHCA H.R. 1628)
I am assuming that the Senate document only lists their changes to the House ACHA bill, if any legislative “expert” (probably a lot FReepers know more about the Congress rules than I do) knows any different please post!
Exactly what I want! But I guess, realistically, that’s never going to happen, so we need the best that we can have, and the congresscritters need to be a part of the plan, not sitting on their pedestals with their wonderful private plan!
What WILL happen is that we’ll have the same old crap tomorrow that we do today that we hate and can’t afford.
I was really hoping this president wouldn’t become tone-deaf like the rest of them.
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