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Becoming one flesh (fetal microchimerism)
Creation Ministries International ^ | 8-25-17 | Dr Kathy Wallace

Posted on 08/25/2017 11:35:10 AM PDT by fishtank

Editor’s note: Writing in the Journal of Creation in 2015, Dr Kathy Wallace dealt at length with the risks of microchimerism, which is male DNA in women’s bodies. More recently, science journal Nature published a paper on the same subject called Immunological implications of pregnancy-induced microchimerism. It is pleasing to report that it was a creationist scientist who first tackled such a deeply technical subject from a biblical perspective in our peer-reviewed journal.

Becoming one flesh

by Kathy Wallace

Women are at risk from sexual involvement with multiple partners. This can impact their health and increase the risk of miscarriage in pregnancy, low birth weight and dangerous diseases that have the potential to kill. Additionally, the intriguing, relatively recent discovery of DNA in the bodies of women, originating from the fathers of their children, has brought attention to an unsuspected biological closeness between a woman and her children, and between a mother and her spouse. This DNA, clearly distinct from the mother’s, has been shown to persist in her body for decades after a pregnancy. Its presence not only may have health effects, but also exemplifies the deep biological union between a man and a woman, facilitated by the children they have together.

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chimera; creation; microchimerism; promiscuity; sex
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In Greek mythology, ‘chimeras’ were fire-breathing monsters with lions’ heads, goats’ bodies, and serpents’ tails—i.e. an amalgam of biologically different organisms.

1 posted on 08/25/2017 11:35:10 AM PDT by fishtank
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From the article:

“Implications for lesbians using donor sperm

This process of fetal microchimerism also has implications for lesbians using donor sperm to facilitate procreation. Presently, such women may be unaware that donor male DNA will be indelibly embedded within them, enshrined vestiges of the biological process resulting in children, that requires a man and a woman, as ordained by God. Scarnecchia has said:

“The man whose embryo implants in a woman literally becomes one-flesh with her as fetal chimeric cells bearing his genetic heritage differentiate and colonize her organs and tissues, for better or worse, till death do they part. … Because it has its causal origin in the sexual act, the fetal chimeric stem cells containing male DNA of its father’s lineage that differentiates into the tissues and organs of the mother’s body signifies an on-going sexual penetration of the woman’s body by the paternal genetic heritage of the child.””


2 posted on 08/25/2017 11:36:04 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I love reading about microchimerism. Will post more later.


3 posted on 08/25/2017 11:38:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim!)
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To: fishtank

So I guess it was true that when Elizabeth Taylor stepped out of the shower, the first thing she would say is, “I feel like a new man.”


4 posted on 08/25/2017 11:43:59 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: fishtank

An interesting parallel to the spiritual reality.

First that it is in Adam that all have died. Even Eve.

Second that the gift of the Holy Spirit fundamentally changes the nature of the one whom has received Him, that even though the old body of death may still linger and (while mortality lasts) compete to demand our fidelity it will still be removed, at either physical death or in translation for those still mortal when Christ returns, and with that everything competing with the new nature, that of the new birth, will be gone, just a memory.


5 posted on 08/25/2017 11:52:52 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: fishtank
The Original Sexual Revolution"
6 posted on 08/25/2017 11:55:34 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: fishtank

Hmm...


7 posted on 08/25/2017 12:16:09 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


8 posted on 08/25/2017 12:18:14 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: fishtank

You mean there’s a cost to being a promiscuous slut who sleeps around and has babies by numerous men?

Breaking news.


9 posted on 08/25/2017 12:25:53 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: MeganC
I sense your sarcasm ...to which I respond that in these days of mass confusion, repeating that which some of us consider blindingly obvious is an absolute necessity.

We need this man.

10 posted on 08/25/2017 12:30:20 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: MeganC

Apparently there’s a cost to sleeping with men, regardless of the number. The DNA doesn’t know if you’re married or single.


11 posted on 08/25/2017 12:30:54 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: fishtank

Interesting what is revealed by science when it catches up to God’s instructions.


12 posted on 08/25/2017 12:32:00 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: Rurudyne

Great point, we are truly a “new creation”...


13 posted on 08/25/2017 12:35:42 PM PDT by georgiegirl (Count me covfefe in the Deplorable Basket)
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To: MeganC

Yeah, I guess it's similar to knowing that binge drinking will kill you. It doesn't take a PhD in biochemistry to know that, but the PhD will be able to explain the influence of the exact chemical pathways.

I am amazed that God's intricate DESIGN is both genius AND exquisite.

14 posted on 08/25/2017 12:53:48 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

PS the vacuum dog GIF popped up on a search for “Captain Obvious”.


15 posted on 08/25/2017 12:54:34 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
Article seems to imply that male (and only male) DNA is found in the pregnant mother's blood stream during pregnancy.

When you think about it, it makes sense.

The male DNA is to desensitize the mother's immune system so it won't attack the fetus in the womb.

There is no need for female DNA, it would be identical to the mother's, right?

I could so nail being a doctor, it's so easy...

16 posted on 08/25/2017 1:08:45 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: fishtank
microchimerism, which is male DNA in women’s bodies

That is wrong. Microchimerism is the presence is anyone's body of cells from another individual.

"In humans ... the most common form is fetomaternal microchimerism (also known as fetal cell microchimerism or fetal chimerism) whereby cells from a fetus pass through the placenta and establish cell lineages within the mother. ...

After giving birth, about 50–75% of women carry fetal immune cell lines. Maternal immune cells are also found in the offspring" - Wikipedia

17 posted on 08/25/2017 1:11:25 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: fishtank

Interesting post. A little heavy on the religion and trying to use it as scripture defense, but still some powerful arguments and things to think about.

Sex is suppose to be special and part of a committed marriage or long term relationship. The concepts of promiscuous sex do pose risks and have physical consequences.


18 posted on 08/25/2017 1:46:27 PM PDT by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Rurudyne

To refine this idea further; Fellowship with the Lord in the matter of fruit-bearing results in the divine dispensing (into us) restoring us, supplying us enabling us to nurture spiritual offspring in life and growth. The more intimate we are with Christ, the more of Christ we assimilate and the more like Him we become, making us capable of producing spiritual offspring. Furthermore, when we have conceived and are bearing spiritual fruit, we share in the increase and growth of Christ in the new believer.

Everything positive in the universe is a shadow of Christ.


19 posted on 08/25/2017 2:27:21 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: ZOOKER

Half of the nuclear DNA of any child comes from the father, so a female embryo would seem to pose as much danger as a male embryo. (The mitochondrial DNA in the baby would be identical to the mother’s whether the baby was male or female.)


20 posted on 08/25/2017 2:43:30 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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