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I watched my patients die of poverty for 40 years. It’s time for single-payer.(Barf alert)
Washington Post ^ | 13th September 2017 | David A. Ansell

Posted on 09/13/2017 3:25:05 PM PDT by Ennis85

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The poor die fat (and young)


61 posted on 09/14/2017 5:17:09 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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In nearly 40 years as a doctor, I witnessed time and again how inequality kills.

No, you killed them by not treating them for free.

62 posted on 09/14/2017 4:17:25 PM PDT by Impy (The democrat party is the enemy of your family and civilization itself, forget that at your peril.)
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The major hospital systems for years have monetized the golden rule, knowing how to guilt folks into voluntary actions that the hospital systems then profit by.

In your postmodern relativistic society a poor, harried and haggard man is free to sign a donor card and off himself just to give the family a pension. Or worse yet the children can sign for their mother and push her down the stairs for an inheritance. No thanks. Body parts should never be for sale. You may as well be Planed Parenthood selling fetuses. It's abominable.

63 posted on 09/15/2017 11:35:42 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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So should freely donated transplanted organs be placed for profit or for free by the various hospital organizations, and should the surgeons then be forced to do transplants for free? Should the pharma companies be forced to issue anti rejection meds for free? I know you understand my point but are stupid headedly dancing around the issue! Again you ignore the fact that I think all transplantations should be banned until they have a better handle on supply, fairness in distributing the organs, and on the science as well as the costs there-of!

I have been working in the industry for over 35 years, 31 years as an RN. Just recently a young prime candidate for donation came into our sister location brain dead and the family was approached to allow donations...the family asked if they could receive financial benefit for the donations, knowing that 2 good lungs, kidneys, retinas, a heart liver and bone would be profit multipliers for the surgeons, hospitals, and drug companies when these organs were transplanted. The family was told no, to which they then refused the donations, and the patient was then sent to the funeral home after the vent was turned off.

The governor of the Plymouth Colony was in a tough spot...his colony was on the verge of starvation because the colony’s ideals of sharing all things in common had caused a lot of lazy folks to try to live off the industry of others and thus they faced famine. The governor decided to allow a little private ownership and capitalism, also declaring that the layabouts had to “work or they would not eat”. After that the Pilgrims began to flourish over the next few years and the common storehouse to be used for the truly needy was constantly full.

I suspect if they offer a little financial incentive for organ donations, they’ll never run out of supply. Heck even some blood donation services pay for donated blood!

The system is broken now as it is...and the mortality rates are still way too high!


64 posted on 09/16/2017 10:03:26 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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...surgeons then be forced to do transplants for free?

How can a conservative ask a question like that? No man should be forced or coerced to provide any goods or services to anyone for any reason for free. That is slavery and you know it.

65 posted on 09/16/2017 5:56:25 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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Just recently a young prime candidate for donation came into our sister location brain dead and the family was approached to allow donations...the family asked if they could receive financial benefit for the donations, knowing that 2 good lungs, kidneys, retinas, a heart liver and bone would be profit multipliers for the surgeons, hospitals, and drug companies when these organs were transplanted. The family was told no, to which they then refused the donations, and the patient was then sent to the funeral home after the vent was turned off.

The only issue I see with this is a person's family wanting to sell body parts. If the organs are not donated I see nothing wrong with that. Do you believe all individuals should donate their organs? Because I don't.

You have said more than once that I have ignored the fact that you think all transplants should be stopped until "they have a better handle on supply, fairness in distributing the organs, and on the science as well as the costs there-of (sic)!" I haven't responded to that because it is ludicrous. We can't treat human bodies like a commodity to be bartered for and traded like pork bellies in Chicago. Your appeal for a better handle on supply, fairness, science and costs seem to beg for a National Board of Fairness in Organ Transplants. Your viewpoint sounds like new-age socialist tripe.

Real health insurance with all the considered risks underwritten should be enough to cover any costs involved. Charities in a free society should assist any poor people unable to pay the costs.

I have seen GoFundMe appeals for transplants and as far as fairness, any patient that requires a transplant due to a life of excess and poor choices should expect that to govern availability. For example, a COPD patient that is still smoking, should be at the bottom of the list. For that matter, anyone that is still smoking or drinking excessively should be at the bottom of the list because an organ transplant would be wasted on a fool.

Your opinions are clearly based on compassion du jour and popular feelings. I don't have much else to say except, your kind of thinking will bring us to Soylent Green.

66 posted on 09/16/2017 6:47:44 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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