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ATF Association: Bump Stocks Do Not Convert Semiautomatics into Automatics
breitbart.com ^ | 10/18/2017 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 10/18/2017 8:48:03 AM PDT by rktman

In a letter dated October 12, the ATF Association informed lawmakers that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) approved bump stocks because they do not turn a semiautomatic rifle into “a machine gun.”

The letter contains explanations of basic points for lawmakers–like the fact that a semiautomatic only shoots one round each time the trigger is pulled and bump stocks to not change this basic action. And it also seeks to defend the integrity of the ATF by explaining that the body of laws governing machine guns has been in place since 1934 and that body of laws dictates when and how an accessory crosses the line into Class III territory.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; atf; banglist; dumbasses
Butt, butt, butt............... You mean banning them will be a waste of time and money? Something must be done regardless. Right? I really, really dislike the majority of CONgress critters.
1 posted on 10/18/2017 8:48:03 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Most people think the opposite of Progress is Regress. Not so! The opposite of Progress is CONGRESS!


2 posted on 10/18/2017 8:58:09 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: rktman

Exactly correct.

One could most probably accomplish the same thing with skilled holding without the “gunstock”, by pulling the gun away from the body with one hand, while stiffening the trigger hand and finger, allowing the recoil to do the work of reload.


3 posted on 10/18/2017 8:58:42 AM PDT by C210N (It is easier to fool the people than convince them that they have been fooled)
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To: rktman

Decision is exactly right. Bump stocks are a static monolithic mechanical part which only helps the user do something they can do without it - and which does nothing if the user does nothing in addition (besides pulling the trigger). It just helps the user pull the trigger again as a deliberate separate action.

This decision is also the ONLY decision the ATF can make on the subject. To rule the other way - to wit “bump stocks turn semi-auto rifles into full-auto” - would mean that all bump stocks would violate 922(o), making the ATF complicit in violation. The counter-decision would then go to the Supreme Court (to wit “y’all told me this was legal, but then changed your minds subjecting me to $250,000 fine + 10 years prison”), force the ‘86 ban under review, be declared unconstitutional, eviscerate all federal gun bans (to wit: certain categories are contraband), likely take down NFA law as well, and flood the pent-up market with machineguns. This is an outcome the Left, and even the swampy Right, _cannot_ risk.

Don’t get me wrong: I welcome the ATF coming to a different conclusion. The results would be so delightful they couldn’t possibly let it happen.


4 posted on 10/18/2017 8:59:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: C210N

“probably”

That’s exactly what “bump firing” is.
All the stock does is make it easier.


5 posted on 10/18/2017 9:00:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: C210N

A rubber band works, too.


6 posted on 10/18/2017 9:04:09 AM PDT by polymuser (Enough is enough.)
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To: polymuser

The rubber band trick works better and is cheaper.


7 posted on 10/18/2017 9:08:37 AM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: rktman

This is exactly why we need universal background checks!


8 posted on 10/18/2017 9:09:15 AM PDT by umgud
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To: 2harddrive

I don’t want any ‘progress”.

The total vapidity of the entire discussion is on display here. Murder is as illegal as it can be made.
Banning or regulating ANYTHING, will not make murder more illegal, or even noticeably more difficult.

Regulating firearms to prevent mass murder, is exactly the same as trying to prevent drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to drive.


9 posted on 10/18/2017 9:10:47 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: C210N

It would seem that a full-automatic rifle of any kind would be notoriously less accurate than an aimed semi-automatic.

The action of the weapon would be to “climb” - successive firings would tend to force the end of the barrel UP, and would not fire in the point of the original aim.

If anybody just wants to throw lead into the air, in the off-chance that somebody then runs INTO the line of fire. well, that may a strategy, but it seems pretty wasteful.


10 posted on 10/18/2017 9:19:55 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: rktman

In other news, the sky is blue.


11 posted on 10/18/2017 9:22:41 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: rktman

A person could very easily fasten together two semi-auto rifles and make a hand crank that would turn that into a Gatling gun. Saw one years at a gun show made from two surplus SKS rifles. At the time, those rifles sold for less than $100. each.


12 posted on 10/18/2017 10:25:42 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: waterhill
🚧🚦✋🏼 Shhhh! Don't let on. They'll restrict fingers and rubber bands. 👹
13 posted on 10/18/2017 10:33:17 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: umgud
🚀. Intergalactic background checks.
14 posted on 10/18/2017 10:34:19 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: polymuser

Yeh the rubber band actually works well.


15 posted on 10/18/2017 11:47:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: 2harddrive
The opposite of Progress is CONGRESS!

Even more ironically, the opposite of Progress is "Progressive"

Hat-tip to George Orwell. ;-)

16 posted on 10/18/2017 1:44:18 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Stay safe out there. The Haters™ are dangerous. Very dangerous.)
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To: rktman
ATF Association: Bump Stocks Do Not Convert Semiautomatics into Automatics

A fact's a fact, Jack!

17 posted on 10/18/2017 4:01:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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