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TO END GUN VIOLENCE, ABANDON THE WAR ON DRUGS
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Posted on 10/22/2017 10:11:49 AM PDT by JP1201

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To: JP1201

So that illegal Mexies can come to your neighborhood and burn down the legal competition.

I think I’ll go into FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.


21 posted on 10/22/2017 10:33:09 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Simon Green

And the majority of deaths from violence period are beatings and strangulation.

The biggest idiocy in the whole debate is (and always has been) that people who die from bullets are somehow dead in a worse way.


22 posted on 10/22/2017 10:35:54 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Robert DeLong

ore=or Not sure how that e got in there, LOL.


23 posted on 10/22/2017 10:38:23 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: usconservative

It’s more like 150 billion.

Then there’s this -—

Contrary to its official goals, the US has suppressed research on drug usage, although the CIA researched regardless during MKULTRA. For example, in 1995 the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute (UNICRI) announced in a press release the publication of the results of the largest global study on cocaine use ever undertaken.

However, a decision in the World Health Assembly banned the publication of the study. In the sixth meeting of the B committee the US representative threatened that “If WHO activities relating to drugs failed to reinforce proven drug control approaches, funds for the relevant programmes should be curtailed”. This led to the decision to discontinue publication.

A part of the study has been released.[3] Several government-sponsored reports by commissioned experts have pointed to public substance abuse treatment as opposed to criminalization as the only effective way to battle the public health crisis caused by drugs; these recommendations have been mostly ignored by US government officials, and in some cases suppressed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_the_United_States


24 posted on 10/22/2017 10:39:21 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: MrEdd
The biggest idiocy in the whole debate is (and always has been) that people who die from bullets are somehow dead in a worse way.

You know an argument is dodgy when it tries to highlight per capita "gun deaths" instead of murders.

25 posted on 10/22/2017 10:40:36 AM PDT by Simon Green
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To: JP1201

End the war on drugs by allowing the government to become the pusher, make the drugs free, and ration them to ensure that troublesome people get enough to keep them docile.

The drug needs a catchy name, however. How about “Soma”?


26 posted on 10/22/2017 10:42:02 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: JP1201

The cartels bring dope to the cities where black gangs rule and handle distribution. While he is right about legalizing, there would be a bigger benefit to building the wall and stopping the NAFTA trucks and trains from Mexico.

But anyway, gun violence doesn’t really affect me. 90%+ of our gun crime is in cities ill never set foot in, and involves people I keep out of my life.
So in short, I don’t really care about reducing gun violence as much as a citybound lib would.


27 posted on 10/22/2017 10:44:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Obviously it’s happening because President Trump isn’t being kind enough to the fat dictator, err, “leader” of North Korea.


28 posted on 10/22/2017 10:44:35 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Texas Eagle

Nailed It !

29 posted on 10/22/2017 10:45:29 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: JP1201

I used to tell my students that a big problem with doing illegal drugs is that you have to deal with criminals. And maybe even worse, you have to adopt criminal traits—lying, sneakiness, justification for stealing, etc. All of these likely have a worse effect on you than, say marijuana. The criminals who are running the drug distribution are not nice people. They tend to get violent when they don’t get their way.

Legalization might sound like a solution to the problem, but somehow I doubt the cartels, or the small groups who have replaced them (I read that the breakup of the big cartels in Mexico has created an increase in violence. The smaller groups that replace them don’t have “discipline” of the cartels). There is some speculation that California’s wildfire problem is partially because illegal marijuana distributers are eliminating their soon-to-be legal competition.


30 posted on 10/22/2017 10:45:53 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Robert DeLong

[simplistic ... that holds no truth whatsoever]

Well, it IS Newsweek, so......


31 posted on 10/22/2017 10:46:29 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris
Thank goodness we have the sanity and rationale of Newsweak.

Worst idea ever. The number people killed by guns every year pails in comparison number of OD deaths in scale of magnitude.

Just think what would happen if we let people buy Oxicotton like aspirin. There would literally be bodies in the streets. We would have to start digging mas graves just to control the stench.

32 posted on 10/22/2017 10:50:37 AM PDT by usurper ( version)
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To: T-Bone Texan

“It’s not gun violene.
It’s people violence.”

Exactly right.

But that is not lost on the communists in this country. Disarm the population (the law abiding specifically) so a defenseless population will accept a police state when -you know what- hits the fan.

That is the goal.


33 posted on 10/22/2017 10:50:56 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: JP1201

Without regard to cause, I suspect the largest group of violent perps and victims are blacks. I suspect the 2nd largest group is Latino’s.


34 posted on 10/22/2017 10:51:47 AM PDT by umgud
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To: usurper

Whenever Newsweak touts something, you can bet the opposite is true.

That’s why Yahoo loves them. You should see the liberals defending them on Yahoo (the comments support the false narratives). There is often a lot of push back.

Because we are paid by Putin to troll, of course.

According to them.

Stupidity: I guess it’s given out free in the liberal community.


35 posted on 10/22/2017 10:53:27 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Which is not forfeiture at all, it’s confiscation.

And, in my opinion, a form of state terrorism.

36 posted on 10/22/2017 11:08:45 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Which is not forfeiture at all, it’s confiscation.

And, in my opinion, a form of state terrorism.

37 posted on 10/22/2017 11:08:45 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: JP1201
Portugal revised the totality of their official orgs' responses to illegal drugs with overwhelmingly positive results.

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA_Fact_Sheet_Portugal_Decriminalization_Feb2015.pdf

A HUGE key to all addictions recovery turns out to be a reversal of the early life RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) DISCONNECTION problems. i.e. help the addicted form solid CONNECTIONS with positive, mature etc. individuals vs escaping into anesthetizing drugs and other addicted activities.

And in terms of CONNECTION--Brene Brown--has a TED talk and other videos on youtube that are top-notch on such issues as Power of Vulnerability, Connection, Shame, The Anatomy of Trust, Fear, etc. Note, Oprah is involved in a couple of the videos. So what. Brene is top flight. And her points are [u]from the data--250,000 data points from solid primary source research--NOT per se, her opinions.

Power of Vulnerability:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvmsMzlF7o

Anatomy of Trust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewngFnXcqao

Listening to Shame:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psN1DORYYV0

Why Your Critics Aren't the Ones Who Count:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-JXOnFOXQk

Faking it, Perfectionism and Living Wholeheartedly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YeulUgWNp8

Braving the Wilderness (incl FDR's Man in the Arena speech excerpt):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyKXHz3UwO8

38 posted on 10/22/2017 11:10:23 AM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JP1201
One huge problem to overcome, however, is that the oligarchy gets a huge part of its black project funding from illegal drugs.

And the death and mayhem of illegal drugs and law enforcement pretending to combat them is that it stirs up chaos, death and destruction--which the dark lord of the oligarchy loves.

And, illegal drugs help destroy families and particularly reinforce the destructive fathering meme.

39 posted on 10/22/2017 11:12:24 AM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JP1201

Don’t legalize, just decriminalize. The profits would plummet, the quality and quantity would also plummet. The “War on Drugs” just worked as a Quality Control mechanism, the better criminals got ahead, the better manufactures survived, the drugs increased in quality. Just as Prohibition helped Criminals, so does this ‘War on Drugs’.


40 posted on 10/22/2017 11:14:13 AM PDT by heights
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