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Scathing report blames crew errors for deadly Navy collisions [USS McCain and USS Fitzgerald]
ABC News via Yahoo ^ | November 1, 2017 | Luis Martinez

Posted on 11/02/2017 7:14:15 AM PDT by Enchante

Poor decisions and lax standards made by the crews of the USS Fitzgerald and the USS John S. McCain contributed to the deadly collisions last summer that killed 17 sailors, according to a new Navy investigation.

"The collisions were avoidable," said Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, in the executive summary to the report.

"Both of these accidents were preventable and the respective investigations found multiple failures by watchstanders that contributed to the incidents," he added in a statement accompanying the report's release. "We must do better."

On June 17, the guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald collided with a Philippine container ship off the coast of Japan, killing seven sailors and injuring three others.

On Aug. 21, the destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker just outside the port of Singapore. That collision killed 10 sailors and injured five others.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accident; accidents; collision; fitzgerald; mccain; military; navy; pentagon; safety; ships; usn; usnavy; ussfitzgerald; ussmccain
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Official report on the two US Navy ship collisions this past summer is scathing. Sounds like a clearly disgraceful level of training and operations. Scary stuff.
1 posted on 11/02/2017 7:14:15 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

I bet the Navy is getting better now.


2 posted on 11/02/2017 7:17:21 AM PDT by WeWaWes (When I look in the mirror I see an elephant--a bad ass elephant)
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To: Enchante

PC hits the Nav


3 posted on 11/02/2017 7:17:24 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Enchante
I can't stay online to read the report right now, but I post the link here for anyone with time to examine this. Looks like a lot of good info:

US Navy official reports on 2017 collisions
4 posted on 11/02/2017 7:18:21 AM PDT by Enchante (Bill, Anthony, Harvey .... how does lesbo Hillary manage to surround herself with male predators???)
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Sounds like a clearly disgraceful level of training and operations. Scary stuff.

The bean-counters and social scientists are now in charge of operations.

5 posted on 11/02/2017 7:18:54 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Enchante

The Crew of the Mayflower displayed better seamanship than these clowns!

This won’t get better until we get back to rewarding military professionalism and stop the absurd Political Correctness that is destroying our Armed Forces!


6 posted on 11/02/2017 7:33:26 AM PDT by Gunner TLW
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I’m sure they were “well trained” on all the latest Obama era politically correct b.s. I hope Matthis and others have been raising hell.


7 posted on 11/02/2017 7:38:37 AM PDT by Enchante (Bill, Anthony, Harvey .... how does lesbo Hillary manage to surround herself with male predators???)
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Navy ships are floating, politically correct, brothels.

I don’t see Mattis is doing much to clean anything up - just nibbling at the edges.

I cannot decide if I should bone up on my Russian or start studying Mandarin.....


8 posted on 11/02/2017 7:54:00 AM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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Nephew was in the navy right out of high school and was trained to work in the boiler room. He often had to work 2-3 days straight because there was no one able to relieve him of duty. When he finally got off his shift, he only had six hours to shower, sleep and eat. This schedule often did not allow him to even get to the mess in time for meals, so many days he ate most of his meals from care packages his mom sent.

I don’t think its the training, but the extremely demanding schedules all the navy is under due to lack of personnel and increasing demands which put them out to sea for longer periods.

My nephew never told anyone the conditions under he worked until just recently when we asked him specific questions. He said it was a miracle there aren’t more accidents given how exhausted everyone is on board.


9 posted on 11/02/2017 8:00:36 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus (iI)
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LGBT and lady sailors anyone?


10 posted on 11/02/2017 8:02:46 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Mandarin.

The Chinese are making the smarter play: they are just buying the country out from under us.


11 posted on 11/02/2017 8:15:28 AM PDT by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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Read the story.....marked for later commenting


12 posted on 11/02/2017 8:20:55 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Repeal & replace Obamacare, tax reform, fix infrastructure, fixin military, Israel, kill enemies)
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"LGBT and lady sailors anyone?"

I don't think there are that many LGBT sailors. Also there have certainly been Navy collisions, resulting from human error, long before gays and whatever were allowed to serve. "Lady sailors"? They might have been involved but they're as capable of standing watch as a man. I don't like them on shipboard though because pregnancies are absolutely unavoidable.

*I'm also remembering the famous quotation from Churchill when he said (in 1913) that one of the traditions of the Royal Navy was sodomy.

13 posted on 11/02/2017 8:23:58 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
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That has been the life of an enlisted sailor since time began. We sucked it up and did what was required. But today’s young “adult” can’t be depended on to step up. With exceptions, of course.

But if the enlisted men informed the OOD of the other ship, the fault is all on him. Or her. Or zer.


14 posted on 11/02/2017 8:28:38 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Enchante

Im embarrassed to say this, but I guess it was a good decision to not enlist in the Navy in 2003.


15 posted on 11/02/2017 8:39:05 AM PDT by wastedyears ("Mr President, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!")
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It’s cuz they gots lax on they groomin’ standards. Once the groomin’ standards gits lax, other standards fall.


16 posted on 11/02/2017 9:08:58 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Smoke does not mean fire when someone threw a smoke grenade.)
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I bet they know all about the dangers of global warming tho.


17 posted on 11/02/2017 9:09:32 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Smoke does not mean fire when someone threw a smoke grenade.)
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Did he also say that some so-and-so gave sodomy a bad name? Seems like I read that earlier.


18 posted on 11/02/2017 9:11:40 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Smoke does not mean fire when someone threw a smoke grenade.)
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>> I bet they know all about the dangers of global warming tho <<

For sure. Globull warming and getting females into submarines and infantry units seem to have been the kinda matters that most concerned of Obama’s SECNAV, the Hon. Ray Mabus.


20 posted on 11/02/2017 9:30:51 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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