Posted on 11/06/2017 7:59:55 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie
There are two very different pictures of the students roaming the hallways and labs at New York University’s Tandon School of Engineering.
At the undergraduate level, 80 percent are United States residents. At the graduate level, the number is reversed: About 80 percent hail from India, China, Korea, Turkey and other foreign countries.
For graduate students far from home, the swirl of cultures is both reassuring and invigorating. “You’re comfortable everyone is going through the same struggles and journeys as you are,” said Vibhati Joshi of Mumbai, India, who’s in her final semester for a master’s degree in financial engineering. “It’s pretty exciting.”
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Graduate school has become an immigration scam.
Foreign grad students get an F1 OPT “practical training” visa which allows them to work in the US for one year. If their degree is in a STEM discipline they can get extensions to three years.
By that time they’ve either found an H1B sponsor or they just go back and take another Masters Degree from some fly-by-night school to start the F1 clock over again.
It’s a huge open back-door to our immigration system, and a gigantic money-printing scam for the universities.
Foreign grad students pay out of state tuition. They are cash cows for Universities.
They do not complain about abusive professors, and are often abused.
The UC system is perfect:
they get to rob the taxpayers at writ large, then the kids they accept from overseas have to pay full fare, in order to subsidize the almost negligible tuition for kids of politicians.
so UC get a money double whammy, a public entity run like a business.
Graduate Engineering Programs at The Ohio State University and Purdue are almost 100% Chinese - Foreign Students pay full tuition - it is a profit center for the schools.
My son graduated with his Chemical Engineering degree from Purdue in 2015. From what I saw of his commencement ceremony, which was only grads from the School of Engineering, this article is quite true (although there were as many Asian as American undergrads getting degrees in Electrical and Computer Engineering). And if you subtracted the black students whose names indicated they were from Africa, there were less than 20 black graduates in a ceremony for about 1000 engineering students, none of them in Nuclear or Chemical Engineering.
“Foreign grad students pay out of state tuition. They are cash cows for Universities. They do not complain about abusive professors, and are often abused.”
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Plus, you don’t have to teach them anything - just take the money and give them a degree.
What is financial engineering?
This was certainly true at Purdue under uber-left President France Cordova. However, under Mitch Daniels, there is clearly a trend to swing the pendulum back towards the Hoosier kids. But it hasn't reached the post - graduate degrees yet.
When I went to engineer grad school as a white male...
For the first time in my life I actually was awarded lots of scholarships and dollars!
Americans are disappearing from graduate schools for two simple reasons:
1. In many fields, it's a waste of money and doesn't make you any more employable than you were with a bachelor's degree.
2. In fields like mine, there's no huge incentive to attend graduate school because you can make a good salary even with an undergraduate degree. In fact, I don't value someone who pursues a full-time master's degree in my field. They're 2-3 years behind their peers in terms of work experience, and they always seem to be the most impractical employees when it comes to working in the real world.
Exactly. I didn’t get scholarships and financial aid because I was only attending at night and refused to enroll in a full-time program, but I was told by the department head in my engineering school that I would have no trouble getting accepted for graduate school as long as I had a pulse and could breathe on a mirror.
I had a graduate research assistantship for my MSME program. Tuition plus a decent stipend. It was nice.
Using advanced mathematics in the pursuit of ripping off unsuspecting investors.
a master’s degree in financial engineering....According to Brazile that is what the Clintons have.
This has been the norm for eons.
In the 1980s I was in the College of Engineering at my university and when I was accepted in my Junior year I had to have a 3.1 GPA just to apply. The university was admitting a large number of foreign students into the program and those students only needed the "university average" of a 2.25 GPA to get into an engineering program.
When I graduated two years later they had almost doubled the foreign student entries and the US students had to have a 3.4 GPA to apply for the programs while the foreigners still only needed a 2.25 GPA.
When I graduated I was paying $55 per credit/hour plus a fee of $300/term just for the privilege of being in the engineering college while the foreign students were forking over $900 per credit/hour. A total cash grab, nothing more.
My guess is that all these foreign grad students entered the country legally; got an excellent education in their countries rather than the pap taught in our public schools grade one through college. The misinformation, intimidation, viciousness, of social media, wasting hours of real learning to gain what?...brain dead generations who will fail in competition with brighter and harder working people from around the world...and sadly procreate future generations and knowing little better, raise equally brain dead children.
If you are an American in a STEM field and a full time Grad student, you should get paid to go. If you are paying, then you are doing something very, very wrong.
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