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'Judea and Samaria Arabs want Israeli sovereignty'
Arutz Sheva ^ | 21/11/17 | Yoni Kempinsky

Posted on 11/21/2017 6:03:20 AM PST by Eleutheria5

Noam Arnon, the Spokesman for the Jewish Community of Hevron, participated in the conference hosted by Arutz Sheva and the Orthodox Jewish Chamber of Commerce held at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, and came with a message.

“We spoke today about the future of Israel, and America, and the whole region. I want to say one thing: Sovereignty is responsibility. A two-state solution is a destruction.”

“Sovereignty is responsibility for the people of Israel - and the Arabs. Most of the Arabs, when I talk to them, say that they want Israeli sovereignty. It sounds strange, but if you take a poll of Arabs in Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem, they jump over the wall to be on the Israeli side - the want Israeli sovereignty. And they are quite clever, they understand why.

“We must say to the whole world: Sovereignty is responsibility for the people of this area, the future of this area.”

Arnon emphasized that the “Arabs don’t live in a free environment that allows them to speak out....

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TOPICS: Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israeli; judahsamaria; pa; sovereignty
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Arnon alleges it, so it must be true. But seriesly, "two states for two peoples" is so much racist blather. If the US applied it to itself, it would be cut to pieces.
1 posted on 11/21/2017 6:03:20 AM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

The problem with Israel being the one state, sovereign over all of what used to be Palestine, is that the Muslim Arabs would simply out breed them and in time, the Jews would be a minority in Israel. Look at Lebanon. It was supposed to be a majority Christian-Arab country and it was for many years, but when the Muslims finally became the majority Lebanon proceeded to destroy itself. It used to be ‘the Switzerland of the Middle East’. Now look at it.


2 posted on 11/21/2017 6:47:08 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Eleutheria5

Yet that is what nations are.

History is pretty clear about that. In fat times, you can have multicultural empires. High trust societies. Lean times, people protect their own and cut out the other.

What makes a group “us” and another “them” changes. Sometimes culture, sometimes religion, sometimes ethnicity.


3 posted on 11/21/2017 6:53:21 AM PST by redgolum
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To: hanamizu

Between immigration and reproduction, Jews are catching up in population growth. Arabs remain narrowly ahead due to increased life expectancy. Lebanon does bear looking at. The Muslims became the majority after the PLO relocated there from Jordan, when the Hashemites kicked them out for attempting a coup. Christians have been leaving ever since, because they are being driven out. Same thing is happening in Bethlehem in Israel.


4 posted on 11/21/2017 7:46:05 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

While I somewhat agree with your take on it, you know the reason for the division and the two separate areas.

The strife was too pronounced to continue to live amongst each other.

They tried to split the two factions hoping they could find peace in their own area.


5 posted on 11/21/2017 9:52:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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That might be the official narrative. But behind the scenes, a faction within the British Foreign Office and military, known as the Cairo-Khartoum Kabal, began instigating violence against Jews while busily disbanding the Jewish League and their makeshift police force. In 1920, they blocked the entrances to the Old City while a pogrom went on full force. Zeev Jabotinsky was arrested and sentenced to 10 years when he tried to enter with a group of friends to defend the Jews of the Old City. This was just the beginning. One of the main instigators, Haj Amin ElHusseini, was first pardoned and then appointed Mufti of Jerusalem, despite the express results of an election that heavily favored a Khalidi (rival faction to the Husseinis).

Without getting into further detail, the hostility of Arabs was ginned up by the Cairo-Khartoum kabal, a group of pan-arabists that included the famous Lawrence of Arabia, General Allenby, and even Governor Lord Samuels, a Jewish peer, as well as the notorious Grand Mufti, Haj Amin ElHusseini.

Furthermore, Jews and Arabs are not and should not be separated into two separate areas. 20% of Israeli citizens are Muslims, living in urban and rural areas of Israel on the other side of the Green Line. And Jews began living again here in Judah and Samaria soon after the Six-day War. That’s as it should be, and as it always has been. We may not always get along peaceably, but we’ve always been neighbors and cousins, even in the worst of times. That’s as it always has been, long before Mad Mo came along, the exception being Jews who’ve lived for generations in Europe where there are no Arabs, who are not the majority within Israel. As one of the “Europeans,” I personally attest that I don’t really mind, despite the dangers. Attempts to separate us are misguided, though understandable.


6 posted on 11/21/2017 11:47:02 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Thank you for your in depth comments.

I don’t know the history of the area to the extent you do.

I realize there is a large Arab contingent in Israel, and they do live side by side with Israelis. It’s one of the reasons I resist claiming all Islamic people are evil.

Unfortunately, the percent that is makes up for the rest.

I have no problem with a one state solution. Perhaps that is the best way to end this.

I will have to admit to having the opinion that the Israel Arab conflict will never be settled though.

Take care.


7 posted on 11/21/2017 11:59:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I will have to admit to having the opinion that the Israel Arab conflict will never be settled though.”

If there’s no solution, there’s no problem. It’s a defect in western thinking that everything bothersome must have a solution. Some things must simply be lived with and worked with, and hopefully a little improved or at least not made worse.


8 posted on 11/21/2017 2:27:10 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I agree with that. Having seen better and worse presidents, we’ve seen it play out that way.

I certainly wouldn’t back a plan just to get one.

It has to be worthwhile or forget it.


9 posted on 11/21/2017 3:58:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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To: DoughtyOne

All Clinton was ever interested in was a handshake in front of the camera. Trump knows that a lasting peace or trade agreement or anything international besides a war takes time and patience, like a tree growing, and a lot of maneuvering and bluffing.


10 posted on 11/21/2017 4:56:49 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I agree. That romp with the family and Yasser Arafat was a sad thing.

Obama came in with the attitude he’d have a peace agreement in mere moments.

As you say, I think Trump realizes the history of the area and the long haul aspects. That’s a reasoned way to look at it.

Without him actually making a big deal about things, it is interesting the Arab meeting focused on terrorism. Here on this thread is talk about Arabs wanted to live under Israeli rule.

I mean these are incredible things, and they are taking place in part (at least by my reasoning) because Trump has contributed to an environment where folks know they can get a deal if they come together in good faith.

Who would have thought Iran and Hezbollah would be targeted by Arab states?

Reality is seemingly dawning on folks over there.

The U. S. is not their enemy. Iran is about to become a lethal one. Hezbollah has been a bad player for decades with Iran’s, Iraq’s, Syria’s, and Lebanon’s help.

That wasn’t helping the region. Hopefully some of this other stuff will.


11 posted on 11/21/2017 5:26:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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To: Eleutheria5

Strange as it may sound, something like that may be true of Arabs in East Jerusalem, who would prefer having Israeli papers because of the difficulties with checkpoints and such, but I doubt it’s true for the rest of the Palestinians.


12 posted on 11/21/2017 5:32:58 PM PST by x
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To: DoughtyOne

Obama is probably polishing his No bell piss prize, reminiscing about his mid-Eastern triumphs. The damage he did will take generations to clean up, absent Divine intervention one of these days.


13 posted on 11/21/2017 11:58:40 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: x

Muslims have a very different perspective on the world. They believe in total fatalistic submission to the unavoidable will of Allah, but they also believe that their ultimate world dominion is inevitable, just hasn’t come yet. The more the US pressures Israel into stupid concessions, the more convinced they become that they day’s ‘come ‘round at last (Yeats)’ and the more bellicose they become. So the piece process causes terrorism and violence in a vicious cycle.

There’s a Pali cleans our house every other week. Nicest fellow you might care to meet. For a while he was helping me improve my Arabic, until it became clear to me that I just don’t have to time for serious language study. We tried to do some business which isn’t entirely out the window yet.

He’s well-known and well-liked in our yishuv, and he’s built like a brick wall. If he were to become violent, the cop who’d take him down would have to empty a magazine in him just to bring him down. But he’s peaceable, hard-working and earns a modest living cleaning houses. I think he enjoys his life. But he’s a devout Muslim, never misses his five-time-a-day hokey pokey thing, carries beads around with him. So if he thinks the 12th Imam is here at last, or that somebody’s insulted his wholely profit, he’ll forget his peaceful ways in an instant.


14 posted on 11/22/2017 12:11:20 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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15 posted on 11/22/2017 3:53:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Daniel 5:1-30)
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Like doing a poll in Cuba. Though the "result" may have some credibility. If I recall when land swaps were under consideration, Israeli Arabs in lands to be returned to their brethren, they were overwhelmingly opposed to becoming part of "palestine". Similarly I believe a few years ago there was some talk about closing the opportunity for Arabs living in East Jerusalem pre 67, now in Israel, to become Israeli citizens. The talk resulting in a small surge in citizenship applications.

16 posted on 11/22/2017 7:35:25 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: hanamizu

No plural marriages is a solution.


17 posted on 11/22/2017 8:23:21 AM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s interesting. Just like the Brits don’t seem to have much trouble with their Hindu Indian population, but lots of trouble with Pakistani/Bangladesh folks, even though all three share pretty much the same culture, except for one Big Thing, so too Christian Arabs cause few problems in the world, but most other Arabs do. So maybe ‘Arabness’ isn’t the problem.


18 posted on 11/22/2017 8:30:05 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

I’d say that Arabs, whether Christian, Muslim or Druse, have in common a weak sense of chronology due to linguistic causes. In Arabic, everything either already happened or hasn’t yet finished happening, and whatever’s in the past could have happened last week or 100 years ago. This makes Arabs susceptible to inflammatory rhetoric and the accompanying specious reasoning that helps fuel it. They also have famously volatile tempers, easily stirred up. But the difference with Muslim Arabs is that they have a belief system that justifies sudden violence, stirred by rhetoric and a combustible temper. Druse and Christians, while similarly built, do not have faiths that justifies violence, so they have developed more forbearance over the centuries.

That’s why the few inventions truly creditable to Islamic society are built around calming people down. The Turkish water pipe (hooka or nargilah) is one, made to be inhaled slowly and shared with others, and to encourage repose. Likewise, Turkish Coffee brews in the cup, and to drink it without getting a mouth full of grounds, you have to sip it slowly after letting it settle. The elders of Arabia, knowing their people, encourage them to calm down and talk over their mutual grievances, so contrived social smoking and coffee drinking as a means of cultivating this calm, so they can settle their differences without bloodshed.

The bit about the coffee and the water pipe is my own invention. The rest is based on Rafael Patai’s The Arab Mind, which is a worthwhile book, denounced by leftists as...get ready for it...racist (SUPRISE!).


19 posted on 11/22/2017 8:51:18 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I agree. We’re still reeling from Carter’s mismanagement of Iran. The guy ushered in an Islamic Caliphate there. Should it go nuclear, he would qualify as a global pariah on the order of other mass murderers.

I’ll bet he still thinks his actions with Iran were perfect.

While were touching on this, North Korea is his blessing to the rest of us also.

Until Obama he was our dimmest bulb.


20 posted on 11/22/2017 11:14:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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