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Roy Moore's Alabama
NYT ^ | 10 Dec 2017 | Howell Raines

Posted on 12/10/2017 2:42:14 PM PST by Rummyfan

ARLEY, Ala. — I recently drove the back roads from Birmingham for over two hours before I finally found a sign for Roy Moore, the Republican candidate for the United States Senate, outside the Arley Coffee Shop. A retired coal miner who frequents what the cashier called the “liars’ table” put it to me in the familiar Winston County way. “The women,” he said of Mr. Moore’s accusers, were lying to make him look like a sexual predator. “Groping,” he added, “used to be all right anyway.”

The Free State of Winston is Alabama’s most distinctive political culture, and now it may be the center of America’s current political convulsion. Winstonians tend to go to one side or another in a big way, and they don’t care what the rest of the world thinks. According to one historical account, the residents voted 515 to 128 for an antebellum legislator who promised to oppose the Ordinance of Secession that took Alabama out of the Union in 1861. Today they believe President Trump is an untarnished Republican savior and are cheering his endorsement of Mr. Moore.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: New York
KEYWORDS: alabama; douchejones; dougjones; howellraines; mediawingofthednc; newyork; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashills; roymoore; winstoncount
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Agreed, every time his weasel face shows up, I am more determined to vote against this abortion-loving liar.


21 posted on 12/10/2017 3:15:15 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: dustoff339

I read enough of this “report” to know how fos this guy is.

I grew up in Mobile with a couple of years stint in Pittsburgh.

Those people really thought we all lived on dirt roads.


22 posted on 12/10/2017 3:19:23 PM PST by logitech
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To: Rummyfan
Wasn't Raines the editor when Jayson Blair was filing his phony news reports? From his apartment in Brooklyn?!

Blair was the 'official' reason for him being forced out.

In reality, the Ivy Leaguer staff at the New York Times bristled at taking orders from the Alabama educated Raines, Blue Dog Democrat or not...

23 posted on 12/10/2017 3:22:24 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Rummyfan

I’ve driven from Birmingham to North Alabama three times over the past three weeks and I’ve seen LOTS of Judge Roy Moore signs.

Drove to Russellville.
Decatur.
Hanceville.

His signs are all over the place in North Alabama.


24 posted on 12/10/2017 3:25:10 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Up on Cripple Creek)
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To: Rummyfan

He is still contributing to the Times?? I worked at the NY Times in the 1990s in a financial job. My friends and I used to refer to him as “Howell Bigot” because of how he patronized black employees, and this was before the Jayson Blair incident. We could all see it then. I was not surprised when I heard about the Jayson Blair incident. Only surprised that it was reported.


25 posted on 12/10/2017 3:25:33 PM PST by NJRighty ("It's sick out there and getting sicker" - Bob Grant)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“willing now to send a falsely accused pedophile to the Senate rather than a baby-killer.”
Anyone who’s dismissive of Moore on “accused pedophile” grounds should explain to me why they do not demand repeal of the statute of limitations. Two obvious reasons occur to me:
  1. It gets harder and harder to conduct a fair trial and come to the truth of a matter with the passage of time, the fading of memories, and the reduced availability and even death of significant witnesses. And

  2. As Hillary disingenuously said, “At this point, what difference does it make?” People do change over the decades, sometimes for the better.
Those two reasons play into each other: If it really doesn’t matter that much anymore, and even if the defendant is guilty as charged you’re pretty certain that he isn’t going to reoffend, why bother trying really hard to prosecute the case? And if it’s really difficult to get to the truth of the case, why would you want to go to that trouble when the defendant is not really the same person by this time anyway?

Add to those considerations the fact that what is really happening is that the attacks on Moore are designed to prevent the people of Alabama from expressing their political identity/preference, and I simply reject the idea that it is necessary to let an “October Surprise” be dispositive - in this case or any other.


26 posted on 12/10/2017 3:30:37 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I’m even getting Doug Jones adds on Words With Friends!


27 posted on 12/10/2017 3:34:51 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Up on Cripple Creek)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Howell Raines was was the first reporter to tag the Alabama/Florida Gulf Coast Beaches as “Redneck Riviera.”

http://www.nytimes.com/1978/06/21/archives/todd-and-stabler-offseason-game-living-it-up-on-redneck-riviera.html

Todd and Stabler Offseason Game: Living It Up on ‘Redneck Riviera’

By HOWELL RAINES
JUNE 21, 1978


28 posted on 12/10/2017 3:35:50 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Rummyfan

I guess most Alabamians are able to think at least one step further than this guilt-ridden, self-loathing son of the South. His sort are always apologizing and engaging in endless moral preening while doing penance for the land of their birth.

But what many Alabamians who plan to vote for Roy Moore know is that the #1 priority, by a huge margin, is to prevent the senate seat from falling into Dim hands. So, they’ll vote for Moore and hope it works out well, but if it doesn’t, they also know Alabama’s Republican governor would appoint another temporary senator and schedule another special election.

The moral stand to be taken Tuesday is to keep that far left extremist Doug Jones out of the US Senate.


29 posted on 12/10/2017 3:41:04 PM PST by Will88
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To: abb

Pretty sure w we calling it that back in the ‘60’s.


30 posted on 12/10/2017 3:48:36 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Up on Cripple Creek)
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To: abb

Sounds like a good place to vacation. Howell made it sound like fun.


31 posted on 12/10/2017 3:50:00 PM PST by Cloverfarm (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem ...)
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To: Rummyfan

Pathetically childish, not to mention dishonest, i.e. half of it is undoubtedly made up.


32 posted on 12/10/2017 3:58:50 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Cloverfarm

No better beaches on Planet Earth, IMHO. I’ve been going since age five, 62 years ago. Now, Mrs. abb & I try to go at least twice a year, and sometimes three.

Best time to go is late April, after Spring Breakers have cleared out, or in mid-October. In the fall, the water’s still warm enough to swim, but all the seaweed has cleared out.


33 posted on 12/10/2017 4:26:07 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Bodleian_Girl

I don’t have a Moore sign in my yard because there are more than a few Jones signs up. Got no need to be vandalized. I have been b4. But I vote a secret ballot


34 posted on 12/10/2017 4:48:50 PM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yup....


35 posted on 12/10/2017 4:51:53 PM PST by del4hope
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To: chesley

I think that is why I have only seen a total of one bumper sticker this entire campaign.


36 posted on 12/10/2017 4:52:39 PM PST by del4hope
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To: Rummyfan
To begin with, a pedophile is a person who sexually assaults a pre-pubescent child, not a teenage girl who has begun to menstruate, which the VASTLY OVERWHELMING number of 14- and 15-year-old girls have. Most medically normal girls start during the year that they are 12. This study says that 90% of all US girls are menstruating by 13.75 years of age, with a median age of 12.43 years.

So the media slinging around the word "pedophile" doesn't even line up with the accusations.

37 posted on 12/10/2017 4:56:12 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: NJRighty
"My friends and I used to refer to him as “Howell Bigot” because of how he patronized black employees"

He is from the George Wallace (D) Alabama era.

38 posted on 12/10/2017 5:54:48 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
willing now to send a plausibly accused pedophile to the Senate rather than a Democrat.

What is "plausibly accused"? I get "plausibly innocent or plausibly guilty" but plausibly accused?

Anyway, yes, I am willing to send a plausibly accused pedophile (whatever that is) to the Senate rather than a Democrat, because a Democrat is even lower than a guilty pedophile.

Go Moore and Alabama will rise again.

39 posted on 12/10/2017 6:18:51 PM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: super7man

I’m really beginning to enjoy the freedom of election hyperbole.


40 posted on 12/10/2017 6:20:21 PM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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