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I thought it was important; it was for FReepers; some of the comments are "defending a pedophile" (sound familiar), and Outrage at injustice

I'll put it out there for people to kick it around if they want, have some things I need to get done.

1 posted on 01/03/2018 12:10:12 PM PST by Aliska
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"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
2 posted on 01/03/2018 12:14:22 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (CNN is fake news.)
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“Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher.
For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example.”


3 posted on 01/03/2018 12:17:04 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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This was a botched attempt for a PR coup against gun owners in an effort to push for more gun control!! The same as Fast and Furious gun running to Mexico was. The ATF could have picked up Koresh in town at any time without the raid.


4 posted on 01/03/2018 12:17:09 PM PST by BobinIL
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The FLIR Project
5 posted on 01/03/2018 12:18:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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Janet Reno had to kill them ‘to end the cycle of abuse.

Of couse the conveniently went out of contact on the final day.


6 posted on 01/03/2018 12:18:47 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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The Branch Davidians were wack jobs but they didn’t deserve to be burned alive. The whole episode is nauseating and quite illustrative of what leftists do when they have power.


7 posted on 01/03/2018 12:19:26 PM PST by plain talk
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Whatever Koresh was or was not, that whole fiasco was unnecessary at best and criminal at worst. According to the McLennan County Sheriff at the time, Koresh routinely left the “compound” to go jogging and made multiple trips into downtown Waco on a weekly basis. If the goal was to arrest Koresh, it would have simple to have a few agents accompanied by either the SO or Texas DPS take Koresh into custody away from Mt. Carmel. This was nothing but Clinton and Reno flexing their muscles against what they saw as the “enemy”. In doing so, they caused the death of not only their own Federal agents, but Men, Women and Children.


8 posted on 01/03/2018 12:20:25 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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That’s the day I went from a firm believer in the goodness of our government to a person who will never trust an armed government operative operating inside the USA again.


9 posted on 01/03/2018 12:21:10 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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They practiced going into the “vault” in case of the end of the world. Kind of goes against their beliefs.

When all is said and done I still don’t trust the government.


14 posted on 01/03/2018 12:30:38 PM PST by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners..)
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“Bill, we have to show everyone that the Second Amendment and their guns can’t protect them from us. Send in the armored vehicles. The people must be taught a lesson about who they must serve.”


15 posted on 01/03/2018 12:31:49 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Why the Mayors? Start with the Governor working dow.n to the lowest County Official.


16 posted on 01/03/2018 12:31:54 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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When the sun rose on April 19, 1993, it marked the 51st day of a standoff between dozens of federal agents and members of an apocalyptic religious sect called the Branch Davidians, who had barricaded themselves in their compound outside Waco, Texas.

Perhaps I'd have a lot more angst about the "sect", if it hadn't been savagely attacked by federal agents in an apocalyptic manner.

Wouldn't it be reasoned to consider those federal BATF agents to have been "Gestapo like?" Where's that mention, while labeling others at will?

All excuses given for the raid were later found to be pure hooey.

Around 90 people died. Around ten of them were poor defenseless children. I guess it would be a lot easier to blame the Davidians for killing their own, if there hadn't been sniper fire preventing anyone from leaving the compound out of the normal doorway exits.

19 posted on 01/03/2018 12:40:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
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ATF agent Robert Elder. "We didn’t drive up there and start shooting and killing people. We responded with deadly force because deadly force was used against us."

The ATF drove up and started shooting and killing all the dogs. That's not exactly how to win friends and influence people.

32 posted on 01/03/2018 12:52:25 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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I remember watching this on the local news as it went down. Of course Koresh was demonized by the talking heads. And when the fire broke out and tanks were on the scene I said "What the hell??!!" As G-man said on his radio show at the time: "The US has engaged in the filthy business of using its military against its own people."
39 posted on 01/03/2018 12:58:27 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Stay warm out there!)
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This and the FBI COINTELPRO Oklahoma City Bombing were nothing more than a Justice Dept. attempt to crush the rising national Militia Movement. The use of Delta Force to machine gun compound residents trying to escape the conflagration was utterly disgusting- bodies quickly disposed of, no autopsy, no legal recourse.


43 posted on 01/03/2018 1:15:21 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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Waco had nothing to do with it other than provide hotel rooms for the msm.


47 posted on 01/03/2018 1:36:11 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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It takes a tank to raze a village...


51 posted on 01/03/2018 2:01:36 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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The ATF was coming up on re-budgeting time; they wanted to have something recent and highly visual to showcase their enforcement proactivity.

Though Koresh was in the daily habit of jogging through downtown Waco totally unescorted, the ATF still insisted on an armed assault.

To legally qualify for the most recent CQB tactics from the military, they lied about the Davidians, claiming they were bank-robbers and machine-gun dealers. These were important exceptions to “Posse Comitatus”, the legal principle by which US law enforcement is walled-off from domestic US military training and operations. In this way the ATF commandos could legally get the military support they craved, the better to feel like SEAL Team 6 Operators.

The Go-Code for the assault was “Showtime”. Like liquored-up Boy Scouts on a rare trip away from home, to document their glorious victory over The Weird Christians they brought along a local TV film crew.

The point at which the ATF stopped their fire during the initial shoot-out was the point they ran out of ammo. Even so, they were permitted to withdraw under no fire (though they were suddenly less enthusiastic about having it all on film).

The enormous metal front door of Mt. Carmel was later “lost” by the ATF, an item that would have shown the majority direction of Davidian/Police fire exchanged.

After the Davidian dead were buried Government Commandoes safe inside Armored Personnel Carriers carefully, repeatedly and wantonly drove over the well-marked graves of the Davidians.

During the protracted stand-off, the seige team repeatedly shone kleig lights into the complex, denied them sleep and loudly played the sound of rabbits’ death screams.

The seige team adopted a “Carrot-and-Stick” approach —sounds great, right..? The Stick part of the equation was composed of Law-And-Order military Commandos, while the Carrot faction was cerebral academics schooled in sociology/psychology, etc.

The two teams loathed one another and barely communicated, leading to an eery, schizophrenic duality from the negotiators; the Davidians would be deep in phone talks with elaborate reassurances, only to have raucous gunfire suddenly shower down on them from overhead.

This actually strengthened Koresh’s admonition that the “Outside World” was ruled by deceiver devils who wished them harm and sought to test them.

—> 17 kids burned to death at Waco and NO ONE got in trouble for it. <—

WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN A MOSQUE...??


54 posted on 01/03/2018 2:07:08 PM PST by gaijin
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Quite a few here defended BATF


70 posted on 01/03/2018 4:33:17 PM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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BTTT


80 posted on 01/03/2018 7:21:27 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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