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Straightening of curve at Amtrak derailment site in Dupont had not been state priority
www.seattletimes.com ^ | 01/04/18 | Mike Lindblom

Posted on 01/03/2018 9:20:33 PM PST by massmike

The curve where Amtrak Cascades 501 derailed Dec. 18, killing three people, was identified years ago as an obstacle to Washington state’s dream of creating high-speed rail. The corridor between Lakewood and Nisqually “includes unsuitable sharp curvature,” said the state’s long-range plan, written in 2006. “A new connection, largely on structure because of differences in elevation, with a speed limit of one hundred mph will be required.”

Even with $800 million in Obama administration stimulus money, Washington state didn’t rebuild it.

The state’s stimulus contracts, released through a public-records request, show the state made no promises to change the curve, nor did it promise to create a 100-mph corridor.

Bruce Agnew, director of the Cascadia Center think tank, recalls the state “talking about very tough negotiations in 2008 and 2009,” over where to spend stimulus funds, involving BNSF Railway and the Federal Railroad Administration.

Officials weren’t going to spend money to straighten the curve if that drained money for the new Tacoma-Lakewood bypass. “This is their centerpiece,” Agnew said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 30mphcurve; accident; amtrak; builttofail; cascades
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1 posted on 01/03/2018 9:20:33 PM PST by massmike
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To: massmike

Typical government that con do nothing until a crisis occurs and citizens die!!!


2 posted on 01/03/2018 9:23:32 PM PST by SierraWasp (BLM = Black LIEs Matter!!! Used to be known as "Bureau of Land Management")
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To: massmike

Just guessing but I suspect that “straightening” that curve would have been nearly as expensive as the rest of entire project.


3 posted on 01/03/2018 9:24:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: massmike

Wouldn’t have needed to straighten out the track for $415 million if they hired people who could stand a proper watch


4 posted on 01/03/2018 9:26:50 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: massmike

After the accident, I went to Google Earth and looked at that curve. I couldn’t believe that a line with two long straight high-speed sections, one on each side of the freeway, required trains to transit through two very tight turns in quick succession before continuing back to full speed. It’s a really stupid layout that was truly designed to fail.


5 posted on 01/03/2018 9:34:27 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman
Only failed when the Engineer went over the speed limit...of the curve.

According to what I have read anyway.....

6 posted on 01/03/2018 9:38:24 PM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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To: noiseman

Wonder how old the right of way is.


7 posted on 01/03/2018 9:39:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Osage Orange
”Only failed when the Engineer went over the speed limit...of the curve.”

You’re right, of course, but that doesn’t excuse the extremely poor design. Putting a very slow speed section in the middle of a long high-speed stretch is just asking for trouble if the engineer loses situational awareness.

8 posted on 01/03/2018 9:48:12 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman
Here's my solution.

Put the tracks UNDER the road.

That way if the train can't make the curve it doesn't fall on top of the crowded roadway - it just runs off into the woods.

(my cut and paste is a little crude but you get the idea)

BEFORE AFTER


9 posted on 01/03/2018 9:56:00 PM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Remember That Diversity Is The Opposite Of Unity.)
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To: noiseman
No...it doesn't excuse the extreme carelessness of the Engineer.

Period.

10 posted on 01/03/2018 9:59:13 PM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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To: massmike

More people killed by trains than planes with less than 10% of the passengers.


11 posted on 01/03/2018 10:04:25 PM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: Osage Orange

My area of expertise is aviation, and in that field there are numerous safety margins built into everything precisely so that safety doesn’t depend upon the humans in the system having to be perfect. The same general principle applies to any type of transportation. I certainly blame the engineer, but I disagree that the deficiencies end there.


12 posted on 01/03/2018 10:06:11 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: massmike

I notice they still haven’t named the engineer who caused the crash.


13 posted on 01/03/2018 10:09:02 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: noiseman
My area of knowing what is right and wrong...is the medical field. I won't call myself an expert.

But I've been doing it since 89-90....I know a couple things.

We have Standard Operating Procedure........

Certain things happen..we do CPR by the book...And certain emergent things happen...we do them by the book.

Sometimes circumstances warrant deviating from the books.....as things are not always the same. And I've done things...not by the book....

The Engineer should have known the route and the track speeds on that route.

He or she screwed up............

14 posted on 01/03/2018 10:29:39 PM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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To: massmike
$181M to save 15 minutes on the SEA / PDX route = $12.1M per minute saved.

Seems a good use of Obama stimulus funds to me.

15 posted on 01/03/2018 11:07:35 PM PST by llevrok (Swamp nothing! Give Washington DC an enema !)
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To: Osage Orange
He or she screwed up............

Just saw, he realized he was going too fast six seconds before the crash and applied the brakes. Hit the 30 mph curve at 79 mph instead of 80 mph. In another earlier article I read that this was being used as a "training run", and I've see other mention that there was a "conductor" ( or i.e. other personnel ) in the cab at the time of the crash.

From my POV, I blame the unions. Not them directly, but the whole system that has derived from the deferral to them, which denies the RR company autonomy over the operation the RR.

So, I'm thinking that the RR could never even think of laying down special rules for this unique inaugural run, and in fact did not, so that things proceeded according to entrenched protocol, which led to these incompetent boobs in the cab twiddling their thumbs while they charged into oblivion.

Just IMHO.

16 posted on 01/03/2018 11:46:19 PM PST by dr_lew
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I blame the moron's pulling the levers...of the train.

I blame the Engineer...for not knowing the speed limits on the track ahead of him or her...

17 posted on 01/04/2018 12:17:39 AM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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To: llevrok
A total waste of money....

And I'd bet millions went into waiting hands.....

18 posted on 01/04/2018 12:21:07 AM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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To: Osage Orange

You might as well put a monkey in the cab, and then when the monkey crashes the train, say that well, it was the monkey’s fault. See what I’m saying? In my eyes, that’s what this amounts to.


19 posted on 01/04/2018 12:52:28 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Yeah...and what will happen to the monkey?


20 posted on 01/04/2018 12:55:06 AM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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