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Uh oh. PA wants medical marijuana users to “dispose” of their guns
hotair.com ^ | 1/3/2018 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 01/04/2018 5:13:43 AM PST by rktman

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To: redfreedom

Marijuana is a Class I substance.
https://www.dea.gov/druginfo/ds.shtml
It’s use and possession is not lawful per the fed.
https://www.npr.org/2016/08/10/489509471/dea-rejects-attempt-to-loosen-federal-restrictions-on-marijuana


21 posted on 01/04/2018 5:36:55 AM PST by smileyface (Things looking up in RED PA! I love President Trump!)
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To: rktman

The 4473 form already warns you about MJ anyway.


22 posted on 01/04/2018 5:37:05 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

In the interest of full disclosure, I have a mad-on for weed, legal and otherwise. So pot would never be an issue for me. I have no problem with alcohol consumers owning firearms. If they use them while impaired, that’s another subject. Ditto for any other legal drug. Denying someone the right to bear arms minus criminal conviction or a mental health finding, however, shouldn’t and hopefully won’t pass constitutional muster.


23 posted on 01/04/2018 5:41:29 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: rktman

It’s right there on the 4473. The Illinois State Police started yanking FOID and CCLs in Illinois last year from anyone with a Medical MJ card.

You can have legal guns or medicinal pot. But you can’t have both.

L


24 posted on 01/04/2018 5:41:33 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: rktman
> Consumers of booze not affected?

No, since drinking does not necessarily mean impairment ...

25 posted on 01/04/2018 5:41:50 AM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: mewzilla

Yeah, don’t move to PA. Harrisburg passed a law that all cities must comply to state gun laws. Then Harrisburg wrote a letter that they, Philly and Pitt are exempt.

PA wasn’t part of the NE liberal machine until about 15 years ago. Since then it’s happily joining New Jersey.

The problem is Jersey. Every state that borders it is simply horrible.


26 posted on 01/04/2018 5:42:44 AM PST by Celerity
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To: relictele
choosing ‘10-12 state sanctioned growers’

Oh that will work!

27 posted on 01/04/2018 5:42:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ltc8k6
"...If you own firearms and also drink alcohol or smoke pot, how likely are the two to coincide?..."

When camping!

28 posted on 01/04/2018 5:44:52 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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To: C210N
Begging the question, will this eventually include customers of “legal” recreational pot shops (CO/CA/MA/etc).

I would guess (never considered trying and don't live in those areas, but . . .) that legal recreational users don't leave their names and addresses when they make a purchase. I am skeptical of "medical" marijuana. A few cases are real (and I don't need to hear the example of your cousin with glaucoma or your mother on chemo, I know those exist), but most are recreational users who found a marginal doctor who will sign anything for money.

In any case, there are very few situations in which I believe our God-given and constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms should be infringed. Marijuana use is not one of those situations.

29 posted on 01/04/2018 5:45:56 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: mewzilla

Stop.

You had me at “I have a mad-on for weed”.


30 posted on 01/04/2018 5:48:17 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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To: mewzilla

The problem is that most of us see the firearms right as a federal one, and marijuana is illegal under federal law.

Most of us believe that state laws should not be able to pre-empt our federal firearms rights under the constitution.

Alcohol possession is not illegal under federal law, and neither are prescription meds.

Marijuana possession is illegal under federal law even if your state has allowed you a prescription for it.

It is sort of like being a bit two faced.

People want the state law to pre-empt federal law about marijuana, but don’t want the state law to pre-empt federal law about gun rights.

Not sure how to resolve it as I don’t want marijuana legalized nationally.


31 posted on 01/04/2018 5:48:48 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: rktman

Soviet snipers actually used vodka to stop their hands shaking.


32 posted on 01/04/2018 5:49:53 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Wolfie

Ah the PSP... maintainers of an illegal gun registry...


33 posted on 01/04/2018 5:57:02 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: AndyJackson

I think other states have already had incidents of ‘pirate growers.’

In true Untouchables style, the state jackboots have shown up to destroy the pirate pot gardens.


34 posted on 01/04/2018 5:57:52 AM PST by relictele
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To: Pollster1

You are exactly correct that customers do not leave their name and address - because it is federally illegal, these businesses cannot get a bank account, thus cannot accept credit cards or checks. They are cash-only. (They’d have to even pay their employees in cash!).

Also, it is my understanding that the medical pot and recreational pot are two completely different animals. They have different designs - recreational will provide a much bigger high.


35 posted on 01/04/2018 6:01:16 AM PST by C210N (It is easier to fool the people than convince them that they have been fooled)
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To: relictele
‘pirate growers.’

You mean like free enterprise in the production of legal commodities.

36 posted on 01/04/2018 6:04:27 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ltc8k6

“People want the state law to pre-empt federal law about marijuana, but don’t want the state law to pre-empt federal law about gun rights.

Not sure how to resolve it as I don’t want marijuana legalized nationally.”

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You could look to the Constitution to resolve this dilemma. If you did, then you would see there is no conflict.

The Tenth Amendment says that if a power is not delegated to the United States, nor forbidden by the Constitution, then that power goes to the states. Fedgov is delegated no power to control intrastate mj. The Second and Fourteenth forbid both the states and fedgov from infringing on the RKBA.


37 posted on 01/04/2018 6:06:09 AM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: T-Bone Texan

“Hey, watch this... Hold ma beeeer”


38 posted on 01/04/2018 6:14:26 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Ken H

Looking to the Constitution should work, but it clearly doesn’t.

If it did, a lot of these “dilemmas” would never have existed in the first place.


39 posted on 01/04/2018 6:16:11 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Spok
"So what effects of pot is Pa. saying are incompatible with firearms? I thought pot was totally harmless."

While blood alcohol levels can be shown to correlate with degree of impairment, THC levels don't. That's problematic with respect to DUI prosecutions.

I have much less concern about marijuana users and firearms than I have about marijuana users and motor vehicles.

40 posted on 01/04/2018 6:19:03 AM PST by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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