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GAO Agents Tried 72 Times, Failed to Buy Guns on the (Normie) Internet
Reason ^ | 01/05/18 | Ed Krayewski

Posted on 01/06/2018 7:26:07 AM PST by Simon Green

Government Accountability Office employees posing as sketchy buyers tried and failed in 72 attempts to purchase firearms on the internet, part of a failed investigation called for by a trio of Congressional Democrats.

While the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) insisted in its most recent strategic plan, as cited by the GAO, that "the privacy of the Internet makes it an ideal means for gang members, violent criminals, terrorists, and juveniles to traffic and obtain illegal firearms," the new report released by the (GAO) could not corroborate any of it.

The GAO did not fare much better on the so-called "Dark Web." Agents made 7 attempts and were successful just twice, purchasing an AR-15 and an Uzi.

There's not much in the report for Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) and Sens. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) from which to demand stricter internet gun laws, but it may not stop Democrats from trying to impose new laws anyway.

It's unclear what kind of internet-specific gun laws there could be other than a blanket ban (LOL trying to enforce that) or enhanced sentencing (a dubious legal tool to say the least).

In all, 56 sellers refused to complete the requested transactions; 29 said they wouldn't ship the requested firearms and 27 refused after the agents disclosed they were prohibited from purchasing firearms. One five separate occasions, the GAO trolls were also banned from the websites where they were inquiring about murky purchases.

"The results of our testing are for illustrative purposes only and are not generalizable," the GAO wrote in a letter to the three Congressional Democrats about the results of the report.

The GAO was also asked to assess how ATF was enforcing firearms laws on the internet, since Cummings, Schatz, and Warren say they worry there are no specific laws about firearm sales on the internet. (As the GAO report notes, a bevy of laws on the book apply to firearm sales that happen to be made on the internet)

Nevertheless, the GAO found that ATF does coordinate investigative work on internet sales through an Internet Investigations Center to "ensure they have the necessary training to operate online in an undercover capacity."

According to the GAO, the ATF center, founded in 2012, uses free open-source software "to analyze online content for investigations," claiming that this allowed "analysts to glean information from public websites without violating users' privacy rights."

In any case, the technology that makes all kinds of commerce easier, including firearms-related commerce, isn't going anywhere. So-called e-commerce continues to grow while other technology, like 3D printing, promises to make government attempts to control all kinds of products, including firearms, even harder.

It's a bright future.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; entrapment; sketchygunpurchases
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1 posted on 01/06/2018 7:26:08 AM PST by Simon Green
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To: Simon Green

Throw easy internet purchase on the pile of democrat lies.


2 posted on 01/06/2018 7:27:36 AM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: Simon Green

“Straw” purchases are illegal for me but not for thee?


3 posted on 01/06/2018 7:30:18 AM PST by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: Lazamataz

Didn’t one of these posers attempt to buy a gun from you a while back?


4 posted on 01/06/2018 7:37:26 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Simon Green
Shockingly, Rep. Elijah Cummings, Sens. Brian Schatz and Elizabeth Warren will still believe their own idoit talking points and lies.
5 posted on 01/06/2018 7:39:40 AM PST by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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To: Popman
Senator Warren commenced to twirling and stomping...
Suddenly, it began to rain...
6 posted on 01/06/2018 7:41:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Simon Green
"the privacy of the Internet..."

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How can you tell someone from the government is lying?

Their lips are moving.

7 posted on 01/06/2018 7:53:50 AM PST by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: Simon Green

So the citizens themselves enforce common sense gun sales restrictions, while the elected representatives attempt to illegally purchase and illegally ban gun ownership. Also illegally smuggle arms to terrorists and known gang members across national lines.

I see who is the criminal class here. Perhaps we need Democrat Bans?


8 posted on 01/06/2018 7:55:12 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Simon Green

The street thugs in Chicago, Baltimore, Memphis, LA, Detroit and other urban areas, who are responsible for much of the gun violence in this country, do not rely on the internet or regulated gun retailers for their weapons. The Democrats in Congress can pass all the laws they want and only law abiding citizens, who are not committing gun violence, will be affected. As terrorist attacks around the world have demonstrated, even if the federal government eliminates the 2nd Amendment, bans firearms, and requires citizens to turn in their weapons, there will be gun violence. Perhaps the anti-gun advocates should consider why all of the gun restrictions enacted over the past 50 years are not working.

Let’s have a public debate on the 2nd Amendment. The NRA and the pro second amendment advocates should dare the gun control lobby to put forward a measure in Congress for an amendment to the Constitution repealing the second amendment. Let Ryan and McConnell bring it to the floor. It will not get the 2/3 majority required to send it on to the states for ratification. It will not even get a 50% majority and will be a clear signal to the federal judiciary the citizens are against repeal and reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment. With repeal defeated in Congress, going forward attorneys will be able to cite the repudiation of repeal in gun control cases.


9 posted on 01/06/2018 7:56:10 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: Simon Green

I think I would pose as a seller, then send them a plastic gun.

Just to prove how stupid these idiots are.


10 posted on 01/06/2018 7:56:52 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Simon Green

“...part of a failed investigation...”

Actually, part of a SUCCESSFUL investigation. It seems the system worked.


11 posted on 01/06/2018 7:58:39 AM PST by budj (Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Only if warren was in the shower. Her genes are not in line with those gods and they are immune from her lies.
12 posted on 01/06/2018 8:05:20 AM PST by oldenuff35
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Guess Who--Rain Dance
13 posted on 01/06/2018 8:08:04 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: Simon Green

All the sketchy buyers had to do was contact Obama and Holder.


14 posted on 01/06/2018 8:11:07 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: Simon Green

Heck, all they have to do is contact Eric (the crook) Holder. He was really good directing his corrupt minions on selling weapons to folks who shouldn’t buy them.


15 posted on 01/06/2018 8:14:58 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Fantasywriter
Didn’t one of these posers attempt to buy a gun from you a while back?

Yup. I wonder if I am in the numbers.

16 posted on 01/06/2018 8:25:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (It is known.)
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To: Lazamataz

I can’t see how you wouldn’t be in the numbers. It was obvious that they were trying to pull a fast one. I thought at the time you handled it superbly—still do.


17 posted on 01/06/2018 8:30:15 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Simon Green
"The results of our testing are for illustrative purposes only and are not generalizable," the GAO wrote in a letter to the three Congressional Democrats about the results of the report.

In other words, your (Congressional Democrats) premise was faulty, and we proved it, but please don't fire us. We love working for the government and don't want to have to get real jobs.

18 posted on 01/06/2018 8:48:36 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: marktwain; Soul of the South; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; ...
The NRA and the pro second amendment advocates should dare the gun control lobby to put forward a measure in Congress for an amendment to the Constitution repealing the second amendment. - FReeper Soul of the South

And it would show Americans which Congressmen would gladly take their guns away if they could.

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19 posted on 01/06/2018 9:37:45 AM PST by PROCON (Happy Trump Year!)
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To: Sasparilla

Everyone in the pro-gun community already knew it was a lie.


20 posted on 01/06/2018 10:08:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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