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PennDOT to remove 'plug welds' from 13 bridges to avoid potentially dangerous condition
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | January 7, 2018 | Ed Blazina

Posted on 01/14/2018 8:11:58 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How?


21 posted on 01/14/2018 8:48:30 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: babygene

$1500 to $2300 per bolt. Good gig if you can get it.


22 posted on 01/14/2018 8:51:37 AM PST by Rebelbase (1/12/18 read the word 'shithole' more times in one day than in my entire life up to that that point.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Just my guess. The engineers on this thread will obviously know more than these “experts,” so I will defer to you guys.


23 posted on 01/14/2018 9:07:24 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year! Screeeeewwwww 2017!)
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To: Sequoyah101

If the problem is that weld heating has altered the steel properties, drilling out the weld wouldn’t seem to do much.

If a “splint” could be applied that were of the same order of strength as the original steel that extended beyond the heat damage due to the weld, it seems it to me it might help. But, a washer and nut wouldn’t seem to fit the bill!


24 posted on 01/14/2018 9:11:24 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sequoyah101
Shear strength, won't help

Tensile strength, won't help.

Twisting strength, won't help.

Compression strength? maybe.

Sounds like a way to generate a few bucks for the local.

25 posted on 01/14/2018 9:14:51 AM PST by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
mending_plate
26 posted on 01/14/2018 9:24:20 AM PST by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Leo Carpathian

http://media.philly.com/images/012117_fracture_1200.jpg

Good God Gertie, what a gap!!!


27 posted on 01/14/2018 9:33:13 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: 2111USMC

That and a little JB weld should do.


28 posted on 01/14/2018 9:33:34 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Any weld will not only change the temper of the surrounding metal it can cause stress. The formerly molten metal tries to shrink but is held back by the surrounding material. In some cases the stress is enormous. I used to design and build fixtures for assembling motorcycle frames. They had to be extremely strong to resist “weld pull”. The welding sequence was as much an art as science. A good welder had an eye for tacking and then welding in the proper order. We expected the first few frames out of a new fixture to be junk while he got the feel for it.


29 posted on 01/14/2018 9:45:15 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Honk If You've Been Sexually Assaulted By Harvey Weinstein.)
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"If the heat from the weld plug has already weakened the steel it seems that the damage is already done."

Hey I'm just a stupid a$$ former ship-yard welder, who worked on the "SMALL-BOATS," 350 Ft. long, Approx. 80' Ft. wide. It's not the heat so much, as the obvious "POOR WELDS." Took a full year of Welding school, through a local community college, just a little after the earth wakes in California, had numerous different people talk to us about the new earth wake standards for rebuilding of roads (read that as bridges) we're talking a whole lot of welding (i.e. heat) going on. When something is welded, properly, the welded joint is stronger the the adjoining material. Just the simple facts.

For those arm chair welding hero's commenting, I've noticed not one of you has asked "GEE WERE THE WELDS EVER X-RAYED?" I'm guessing you didn't even know that X-Raying welds could be done. In the field, when the guy who does the X-Raying shows up, the welders refer to him / her as the un-employment guy. Why, because, if your welds fail, your FIRED!!!!

I had to weld some VERY BIG PAD-EYE'S onto the Pilot house, so they could lift the pilot house up onto the ship. Eighty feet, from the ground up, then move into place. Oh, it only weighed 120 Metric Tons' so I guess I don't know just what I'm talking about.

30 posted on 01/14/2018 9:47:08 AM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's lie, only while testifying, as taught in their respected Police Academy(s).)
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To: Sequoyah101
Something is missing in this story.

Truth? Accuracy?

31 posted on 01/14/2018 9:57:46 AM PST by null and void ( The Martians fought global warming, all the plants died and the surface water froze solid....)
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To: going hot

the only way this could possibly do any good is by compression of a plate on either side of the plate with the hole in it and some friction force along the plate to plate contact that adds some strength to the contained plate. That is very iffy of course.

I’m assuming the PennDOT engineers are not stupid enough to count this for anything and so must assume something is missing from the article.

On the other hand, OklaDOT engineers were stupid enough or someone got big enough kick backs to cut three slots across each paving section in line with the two wheel tracks in each lane, put a rebar in each slot and then epoxy or even just concrete the bars in place. Wala, 12 new leak and fracture points in each slab. If somebody can explain the valid benefits of this apparent boondoggle I’m willing to listen.


32 posted on 01/14/2018 9:58:30 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave

Earth Wakes. I see you’ve met my acquaintance Otto Core Wrecked...


33 posted on 01/14/2018 10:02:13 AM PST by null and void ( The Martians fought global warming, all the plants died and the surface water froze solid....)
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To: Sequoyah101

I would think welding a patch on both sides of the hole would be more effective


34 posted on 01/14/2018 10:03:12 AM PST by Thibodeaux (2018 is looking good)
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To: Sequoyah101

Hmmm, I’ve seen that here. Just noted in passing, didn’t give it much of a thought...


35 posted on 01/14/2018 10:04:20 AM PST by null and void ( The Martians fought global warming, all the plants died and the surface water froze solid....)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

That looks like break from fatigue stress nothing to do with fasteners. Caused by cyclical stress by bumpy road.
Holland tunel has stretches of rough bumpy road surface asking for trouble.


36 posted on 01/14/2018 10:13:05 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

These guys show how it should be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pbYYs3P91E


37 posted on 01/14/2018 10:16:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: null and void

I confess to not having read all this article but it reeks of snake oil to me. For example, every square cornered cut made is a stress riser.

http://www.pavementinteractive.org/dowel-bar-retrofit-construction-practices/

I put this in a similar category to foam insulating the underside of a roof. It is a bandaid for a problem that should not be there in the first place and that is HVAC duct work in the attic. For less money and more effectiveness you can retrofit with a full-up zoned mini-split system and throw away all the stinking duct work.

Foaming the underside of decking not done right in most climate zones just creates new problems.


38 posted on 01/14/2018 10:18:09 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Interesting link, covers everything except why you’d bother to do this in the first place!


39 posted on 01/14/2018 10:35:26 AM PST by null and void ( The Martians fought global warming, all the plants died and the surface water froze solid....)
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To: Ramcat

Good stuff! made in Sulphur Springs, TX


40 posted on 01/14/2018 10:45:02 AM PST by mabarker1 (Progress- the opposite of congressl)
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