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Is Federal Paid Family Leave A Good Idea?
Forbes ^ | February 2, 2018 | George Leef

Posted on 02/03/2018 6:51:13 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To: reaganaut1

It’s incredible to me that this could even be a question among people who call themselves conservative.


61 posted on 02/03/2018 8:29:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: reaganaut1

The rampant abuse that already exists for family medical leave is a clear sign that the same people will abuse this too. How many people are sitting at home, taking tax dollars now? It was 49 percent. Now I bet it is at least 51 percent. But, o they earned it, just ask them.


62 posted on 02/04/2018 3:42:57 AM PST by momincombatboots (No Wall, No Way 2018.)
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To: papertyger

Because it shows you don’t really understand the implications of what’s being proposed, that’s why.

Encouraging people to become dependent and/or entitled is not compassion.

Spend some time in the real world - you might like it!.


63 posted on 02/04/2018 4:33:23 AM PST by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie
Because it shows you don’t really understand the implications of what’s being proposed, that’s why.

Oh, I understand perfectly; I just don't agree.

I also know it's condescending SOBs who sign paychecks that have our country overrun with illegal aliens, and insist we can't do without them.

And don't try to hide behind the "encouraging dependence" canard. The proposed plan doesn't cost the business anything.

What it does test is if you have enough resilience in your organization to allow your employees to be people, and not parts. If the business you've built can't handle an occasional pregnancy or debilitating accident among your people without going to pieces, you had no business going into business in the first place.

No, what I object to is the contemptible "it's not the business's responsibility you got pregnant" attitude. Such people deserve what the communists would like to do to them.

And by the way, my family runs several businesses, but we determined long ago never to hire help unless we could make the job something they could live a life on; short of that, it's contractors.

64 posted on 02/04/2018 5:52:55 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: reaganaut1

No it’s a horrible idea—and we have liberal Manhattanite Ivanka responsible for Trump now pushing it.

Already we got a terrible childcare entitlement that will be soaked up by the rich with nannies.

Not good for the kiddos, not good for the country, evil for the already overburdened taxpayers.


65 posted on 02/04/2018 5:55:39 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: kosciusko51

And leave caring for an aging parent. And leave caring for the handicapped anyone. Yes, let’s redistribute it all!


66 posted on 02/04/2018 5:57:33 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ridesthemiles

I’ve got kids and I completely agree with you. I quit work at the time we started our family. I reasoned that I could either be an engineer or I could be a mother of young children but I could not do both at the same time and do either one well.


67 posted on 02/04/2018 6:15:53 AM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: papertyger

Stealing other people’s time and money to satisfy your own twisted view of ‘compassion’ is simply wrong.

Play Robin Hood on your own time. And with your own money.

Feel well.


68 posted on 02/04/2018 7:04:28 AM PST by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie
Stealing other people’s time and money to satisfy your own twisted view of ‘compassion’ is simply wrong.

Nobody is stealing anything. The funds are coming from ones own social security.

And if your business can't afford to allow for the normal impediments of life in the people you hire, it's just like a person who leverages every nickel they have to get the biggest house possible...you should loose it. You have no business involving other people in your self-centered success fantasies.

Play Robin Hood on your own time. And with your own money.

Get your analogies right. Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, making everyone a slave to HIM. What you're advocating is servitude for the sake of maximum organizational efficiency; how is that better than Robin Hood?

69 posted on 02/04/2018 7:55:18 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

Are you one of those who thinks SS money is stored in a lockbox? Really?

The government cannot give to one American without taking away from another American. Do you think the government produces wealth?

That SS $$ comes from current tax revenue and/or is borrowed (issuing Treasure bill, notes, bonds), which is a claim on future tax revenue.

As it is Soc Sec is going broke (technically it already is broke).

You have an amazing lack of understanding of money and markets. And the Constitution.

Critical thinking is not your strong point.

Isn’t it time to go back to your family lemonade stand?


70 posted on 02/04/2018 8:09:25 AM PST by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie
Are you one of those who thinks SS money is stored in a lockbox? Really?

No, but you're obviously one of those supercilious know-it-alls who'd rather project cliches on opposing viewpoints, than actually consider someone might disagree with you for some reason other than stupidity.

As I said earlier, that is exactly the kind of "business man" that has us fighting off a foreign invasion of artificially cheap labor.

And while the government can't pay benefits without taking those funds from the public, the people who would benefit from this are ALREADY having funds expropriated for the benefit of others. Giving them back some of their own to expand their family is better for the country than using it to buy the votes of the retired.

Furthermore, despite whatever is being said about social security, do you really believe it's going away? Spare me your doctrinaire, chalkboard "understanding of money and markets," and learn a little something about realpolitik .

People like you have been getting their political butts handed to them since Reagan. It's only because we now have a President that's willing to deal with things as they are, rather than imposing inappropriately applied tenets of Austrian School Economics, that the country is picking up again, finally.

71 posted on 02/04/2018 9:29:14 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

Are you still here?

I thought I told you to go back to your lemonade stand!


72 posted on 02/04/2018 9:33:22 AM PST by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: reaganaut1
They would allow prospective parents to collect Social Security benefits for a period of time (probably 12 weeks) upon the birth of the child, but offset that by delaying their eligibility for Social Security benefits upon retirement
This is a racist idea, designed to deny retirement to certain races that tend to breed a lot./sarc
73 posted on 02/04/2018 1:31:33 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Stay Calm and Carry.)
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To: Paulie
Are you still here? I thought I told you to go back to your lemonade stand!

I've been here for twenty years, bub. I don't plan on going anywhere.

Further, that long experience has given me the ability to recognize posters so devoid of integrity they refuse to rebut, nor concede when they've lost an argument. So despite your feeble, inane attempt to belittle, I won't push your face in the dirt, anymore.

74 posted on 02/04/2018 5:03:42 PM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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