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Supreme Court's conservatives appear set to strike down union fees on free-speech grounds
LA Times ^ | 2/8/2018 | David G. Savage

Posted on 02/08/2018 7:01:41 PM PST by SpeedyInTexas

Paying union dues and baking a wedding cake may not seem like classic examples of free speech—except perhaps at the Supreme Court.

This year, the high court is poised to announce its most significant expansion of the 1st Amendment since the Citizens United decision in 2010, which struck down laws that limited campaign spending by corporations, unions and the very wealthy.

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KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; afscme; california; citizensunited; firstamendment; freedomofspeech; freespeech; homosexualagenda; losangeles; losangelesslimes; losangelestimes; mediawingofthednc; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; scotus; uniondues; unionfees; unions
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To: Edward.Fish; SpeedyInTexas

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“Expansion” of the 1st Amendment via judicial meddling ought not be tolerated — all it does is erode the Constitution to allow the Judiciary to usurp power.
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15 posts before anyone brought up that little turd. Kudos

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(The big lie that they’ve forced on everybody is that the supreme court is superior in authority to the Constitution.)
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Yes, but it’s the big lie the unconstitutional govt(s) follows (Fed AND State).

Unfort, no even PDT is rocking THAT boat :S


41 posted on 02/09/2018 4:42:34 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

I think the Left will have to play Roberts again - this case is too big to lose.


42 posted on 02/09/2018 4:50:34 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: FreedomNotSafety; Gay State Conservative
Morality and legality are two different issues and one should not dictate the other. The owner of an ambulance service may have a moral obligation to help a pervert as you say but that does not mean that should be law.

In real life, if the ambulance service is contracted to respond to emergency 911 calls, the contract would specify a legal obligation to respond to ALL calls. If it's a private service which, for example, just does non-emergency calls, effectively being a taxi service for invalids needing to visit their doctors, then they should be able to decide who they choose to transport. The driver may not care about "perverts", but might balk at transporting gang members who might put the driver at risk of violence, or people with a record of not paying.

43 posted on 02/09/2018 4:54:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

My particular complaint is all the unions in live theaters.

Plays are a traditional and hallowed form of speech in the public square, and the unions are like leeches all too often making the costs prohibitive.


44 posted on 02/09/2018 5:27:34 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: SpeedyInTexas

It’s the next New Civil Rights Movement (although it’s nothing new.)


46 posted on 02/09/2018 6:17:47 AM PST by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: MAGA2020

Unions of one should be all that is required. The marketplace is its own union of sorts. It dictates what wages are sustainable.


47 posted on 02/09/2018 6:19:39 AM PST by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Let’s hope so!!!


48 posted on 02/09/2018 6:34:04 AM PST by ontap
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To: Jeff Chandler

>> Expansion of the 1st Amendment via judicial meddling ought not be tolerated
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> So you agree that rulings in favor of the baker and against the Teamsters would be an expansion of the 1st Amendment?

Yes — The 1st amendment ONLY constrains Congress, and the whole issue here is NOT “free speech” but rather “involuntary servitude”.


49 posted on 02/09/2018 6:58:16 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: xkaydet65
You are correct, but Marbury v Madison is the toothpaste that, absent a Constitutional Convention, will never go back in the tube.

Except that's not what Marbury v Madison actually says; what it says is (a) the courts have to be able to read/apply [ie interpret] the Constitution, and (b) anything contrary to the Constitution is void.
The courts have reinterpreted (a) to mean that they can re-interpret the Constitution as they see fit, adding and removing penumbras and emanations at will, because [IMO] (a) isn't really written well; Marbury v Madison would be much better if it only said (b).

In the 19th Century the power was used rarely, compared to today, and not always wisely, i e Dred Scott. In our time the calendar is filled with opportunities to remake the Constitution.

Dred Scot wasn't even Marbury v Madison interpretive power; it was the Supreme Court essentially saying A slave, even if freed, can never become a Citizen (form wikipedia: finding that neither he nor any other person of African ancestry could claim citizenship in the United States), which made a third class of person in the States: Citizen, Slave, and non-citizen native owing allegiance to no other State. (The last state essentially being the man-without-a-country problem.)

50 posted on 02/09/2018 7:11:10 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: i_robot73
>> “Expansion” of the 1st Amendment via judicial meddling ought not be tolerated — all it does is erode the Constitution to allow the Judiciary to usurp power.
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> 15 posts before anyone brought up that little turd. Kudos

Thank you.

>> (The big lie that they’ve forced on everybody is that the supreme court is superior in authority to the Constitution.)
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> Yes, but it’s the big lie the unconstitutional govt(s) follows (Fed AND State).
> Unfort, no even PDT is rocking THAT boat :S

Funny thing is that there's a lot of problems that simply go away, or become much more manageable, if the Constitution is followed.
(PDT = President Donald Trump?)

51 posted on 02/09/2018 7:14:49 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: confederatecarpetbag
Wouldn’t this be the reverse of expanding the 1st Amendment? It seems to me if SCOTUS rules as intimated here, it would mark a return to the limits outlined in the Constitution. It would be the freeing of liberty from its judicial-activist cage.

No, because they're saying this is a 1st Amendment matter — the first amendment ONLY applies restrictions to Congress any applications to any other entities is misconstruing and eroding it.

52 posted on 02/09/2018 7:24:59 AM PST by Edward.Fish
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To: BobL

some are never Trump, some trolls, and some liberaltarians


53 posted on 02/09/2018 7:31:32 AM PST by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: MAGA2020
I think there are those (myself included) that may be reasonably intelligent, conscientious and productive employees, but for various reasons ineffective negotiators when it comes to hammering out agreements on wages and working conditions. That's when I believe a union (more or less acting as an "agent") can be a useful ally.

The down side (forgetting politics for a moment) is that the sluggards are compensated equally with the ones carrying the load, and they usually know there will be no consequences for their laziness or incompetence .

And, from my own experience, other than obtaining a wage/benefit package for its members all a union really does is collect dues. I never once saw the union take up the gauntlet on behalf of an aggrieved individual employee,

54 posted on 02/09/2018 7:54:59 AM PST by daler
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To: Billyv
Gorsuch is probably seething at the brier patch the President has placed him in.

You don't really believe that do you?

You shouldn't, I'm sure he knew what a terrible mess things were in when he accepted the job.

I'll bet he's having the time of his life.

57 posted on 02/09/2018 8:20:24 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: MAGA2020
So people are no more than interchangeable economic units of production to you?

Not to me. To companies. Sure, they may put on airs about their workforce "family" and what's best for them, but the bottom line is what really matters, as it should.

58 posted on 02/09/2018 8:55:24 AM PST by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: MAGA2020

As long as there is no force or coercion whatsoever applied to workers by union to join, and no government side-choosing, by all means form a union. I’m just against all the subsidies for them.


60 posted on 02/09/2018 9:40:46 AM PST by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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