[amihow]

I gave up my faux conservative card even earlier than G.W. Bush. The day Bush the elder said we are in a New World Order was epiphany for me, although Goldwater’s libertarian bent had prepared the way.

I have said it for years. Kirk on side of angels, but really a re-discoverer of our Natural Law under the Judeo Christian God conservatism..

Buckley pure B.S. influnced by trotskyite neo cons.

Classical, true conservatism is pro-life to the core, recognizing self defense as a right and eveen duty. It values freedom as God given rights to choose among various good, but not the license to choose, unpunished, between good and evil. It recognizes an objective reality not a subject fantasy as the basis for morality and progress. And on and on.

[confederatecarpetbag]

Well stated.

[Lurkinanloomin]

That’s what did it for me, too.
I voted for Buchanan in the primary in 1992.
I did not vote for GHW Bush in the general.
I held my nose for Bob Dole, always thought he was a good man, but they were using him as a Designated Loser.
I held my nose for GWB because I could not stand the thought of AlGore being President.
I did it again in 2004. Kerry.
I voted for Bob Barr in 2008, there was no way the GOP was going to force me to vote for McAmnesty.
Romney was another nose hold, I did not believe a word he said. How could anyone?
We have been manipulated into voting for undocumented Democrats in R jerseys to keep the borders open and the laws unenforced for 30 years.
Most of the apparatus of the GOP is still in the hands of the Bush League Republicans.
They are still determined to get that final amnesty that will seal our fate as North Mexico like Poppy Bush wants.

[Yaelle]

It values freedom as God given rights to choose among various good, but not the license to choose, unpunished, between good and evil.

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This is not true. Conservatism is the more moral choice over leftism, but conservatism refers to how men govern themselves. It remains in the sphere of legalities, which are highly influenced by objective morality, but a government cannot force morality.

An individual is free to choose evil. He is even free by his Creator to choose evil, not that Gd doesn’t mourn when he does so. An individual, if caught harming another, can be stopped by the government from committing more evil. Hopefully. But even under the Constitution a man can sit in his house and dream of poisoning puppies and raping bunnies. It’s not our purvey to stop him.