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Mental Health and Gun Control(Paging Dr. Kimmill)
americanthinker.com ^ | 2/19/2018 | Daniel John Sobieski

Posted on 02/19/2018 8:53:59 AM PST by rktman

Never mind that the FBI failed to heed and follow up on repeated and explicit warnings about Nikolas Cruz before his shooting rampage in Parkland, Florida. Never mind the FBI was too busy chasing phantom Russian collusion to locate a future killer that any nerd living in his parents' basement could have located with ease. According to mental health professional Jimmy Kimmel, Trump made Parkland happen by rescinding Obama administration regulations barring the mentally ill from getting guns:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; assclowns; banglist; ill; kimmill; mental; mentalhealth; mentallyill
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Further verification that the radical alt-left extremists (entertainment division) libs are mindless fools.
1 posted on 02/19/2018 8:53:59 AM PST by rktman
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The Florida high schoolers making the network publicity rounds seem a little to polished to be acting without help of some sort.

Are they being financed? They could be an impressive addition to the gun banner crowd. Most will find it difficult to pile on the young victims with rational thought—any opposition of any nature will appear unseemly.


2 posted on 02/19/2018 9:00:20 AM PST by whistleduck ("....the calm confidence of a Christian with 4 aces".....S.)
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Oh, I won’t mind. Seems that none of them has ever had a civics class. I’ve known 5 people that have taken their own lives with firearms, one person that died due to a negligent discharge and my own youngest letting loose a round with a .357 when she was 4 because I turned my back for an instant. Luckily no one was injured. Do I still have firearms? Uh, yeah. Of course rational thought process is required to arrive at my conclusion. Missing in these assclowns are critical thinking skills or rational thought. Only emotions count.


3 posted on 02/19/2018 9:06:50 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Slander and propaganda is the bread and butter for the Media Complex so long as there remains no legal recourse for the truth and the facts.

The influential conservatives are made mute by law. They can not shut the slanderers up because public figures can not sue the media.

It is a picture perfect operation for the Media Monopoly to overthrow the Constitution and reshape politics, only because they are legally allowed to monopolize 85% of the slanted messaging in the USA, with no consequences.

The street gangs like BLM, ANTIFA, campus communists, burn and destroy in some cases are all allowed to overwhelm free speech rights of conservatives and conservative assembly.

None are held accountable, nor are their organizer sponsors investigated for their Anti-American connections, funding sources, nor their powerful Leftist political supporters.

We are so infiltrated by communists, today, that we are lucky to even find a jurisdiction with a sane jury pool and a fair judge that is not bought by the Left.

Alinsky leadership remains at the top of every institution, or the embeds are able still to stop any restoration of law and order.

It is pathetic that hapless Sessions serves as a hat rack at Justice, leaving the department in the hands of the Obama racketeers to carry on against the POTUS.


4 posted on 02/19/2018 9:15:51 AM PST by RitaOK
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How do you define “Mentally ill”. Did you know that you cannot remove constitutional rights from someone by placing them on a list? Did you know that it takes a due process adjudication and jury trial? We dont just deem people as “risks” and remove constitutional rights.This discussion shows painful ignorance of law.
The Broward School district failed to protect it’s students by having armed and trained teachers and coaches and should be sued for negligence particularly since they knew this kook was a threat and banned him from campus knowing that he might not follow their edict. Where was the security for these dead students.
By the way , as bad as the FBI is and should be disbanded, they had no jurisdiction in Broward county Florida relating to this kook. There was no federal issue alleged. They should have forwarded the complaint to Broward county for action. We dont have a federal police force for local issues. Besides the FBI was busy trying to bring down our president and sexting their lovers.


5 posted on 02/19/2018 9:19:08 AM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, we’re building that wall" DJTwe hav)
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How do you define “Mentally ill”. Did you know that you cannot remove constitutional rights from someone by placing them on a list? Did you know that it takes a due process adjudication and jury trial? We dont just deem people as “risks” and remove constitutional rights.This discussion shows painful ignorance of law

Letting dangerous crazy people walk free is an innovation that comes not from the Constitution but from the end of the public mental health system in the period 1963-1973.

6 posted on 02/19/2018 9:26:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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“Are they being financed? They could be an impressive addition to the gun banner crowd......”

Just heard that the libs are now heading to DC to demand removal of guns. One of these days, once the decks are stacked heavily with “liberals” on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, it’s going to happen. Hopefully not any time soon!


7 posted on 02/19/2018 9:28:07 AM PST by DaveA37
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Is elder abuse a felony? It should be.
Death threats?

How many ways did this kid act out that should have added him to the list?

How many times do cops have to show up at your door before your name is added?

If this kid didn’t belong on the list - then no one belongs on it.


8 posted on 02/19/2018 9:29:11 AM PST by Scotswife
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“How do you define “Mentally ill”.”..

It’s spelled like this, MEDIA!


9 posted on 02/19/2018 9:30:08 AM PST by DaveA37
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Oh! I know. We have a Doctor simply proclaim that all Christians or Trump supporters are “Mentally ill” and put them on a list and take their guns away. That sounds absurd but that is exactly what these communists would do.


10 posted on 02/19/2018 9:32:58 AM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, we’re building that wall" DJTwe hav)
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To: rktman

Kimmel got his information from the following bizarre sideshow speech.

Florida student to NRA and Trump: ‘We call BS’
https://youtu.be/ZxD3o-9H1lY?t=34s


11 posted on 02/19/2018 10:20:24 AM PST by familyop (President Trump said that we're all important, so let's do something!)
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It’s quite simple, actually

“How dare you take advantage of traumatized, grieving children to push the civil disarmament crap you’ve been trying to shove down our throats for years before school shootings ever became a thing! You’re doing the political equivalent of molestation!”


12 posted on 02/19/2018 10:25:31 AM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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Libtards work. Doing the samething to Opioid Pain Meds as they are to guns. Using kids who shoot up Illegal heroin, cocaine from the M.E., Mexico laced with Fenyatal brought into the USA via the USPS and cargo ships.


13 posted on 02/19/2018 10:32:14 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: raiderboy
How do you define “Mentally ill”. Did you know that you cannot remove constitutional rights from someone by placing them on a list? Did you know that it takes a due process adjudication and jury trial? We dont just deem people as “risks” and remove constitutional rights.This discussion shows painful ignorance of law.

It's not difficult at all!

Prior to passage of the Community Mental Health Act of 1963, it was routine. It must have been easy and done routinely because mass school shootings only began in 1966, with Charles Whitman at the University of Texas. Before that, almost everyone who was demonstrably bat**** crazy was committed to a psychiatric institution.

Normalization of abnormal behavior began in 1963, continued to the American Psychiatric Association voting that homosexuality was not a mental illness in 1974, and continued to 2018 when someone who has the police called to his home 39 times, posts pictures of tortured animals on the internet and has the FBI called on him twice for threatening a school shooting doesn't raise any eyebrows.

It's all "defining deviancy down." Everyone is a unique and precious little snowflake today.

14 posted on 02/19/2018 10:56:23 AM PST by Sooth2222 (O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything.)
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To: Scotswife
How many times do cops have to show up at your door before your name is added? If this kid didn’t belong on the list - then no one belongs on it.

The real failure was on the part of the police and prosecutors. Police were called to the house MANY times over incidents of violence and threats. If they had prosecuted him for at least one, then his name would have gone on the list.

15 posted on 02/19/2018 11:04:14 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Sooth2222

Well I think you are saying that so called “ mental illness” is ambiguous and undefined.
It could be that after a jury trial, this guy should not buy a gun but that will not be just deemed by so called experts. That is a slippery slope beyond comprehension. I assure you that “deemed mental illness” in unconstitutional as hell and would end up putting Christians, “global warming” deniers and conservatives on the “list” . The constitution stops that cold. One great thing to compare with is legal guardianship for mentally incapacitated . In order to deny that person’s rights there is a full blown court trial with Doctors testifying etc. Notice and hearing due process. The ward in that guardianship proceeding is not only represented by separate counsel, but that counsel MUST resist that petition for incapacity vigorously. We are talking about constitutional due process when we attempt to deny ones rights and the media and lynch mob mentality today is in gross denial of that reality.


16 posted on 02/19/2018 11:13:09 AM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, we’re building that wall" DJTwe hav)
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Trump should rescind the Obama executive order that allows mentally ill talk show hosts to drive backwards on freeways. Someone could get hurt.

“Steve Scalise owes his life to the Second Amendment, which was written not to shoot deer, but to shoot tyrants.”

Same with the recent church shooting in Texas. The criminal was stopped by a 2nd amendment practitioner. And this has happened over, and over, and over.

But I do support the prohibition of liberals from owning or using guns. This should apply to their body guards as well.

This is a reasonable compromise on gun control.


17 posted on 02/19/2018 12:10:56 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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“Well I think you are saying that so called ‘mental illness’ is ambiguous and undefined.”

Without a jury trial it is unconstitutional, as you suggest.

However, I am supportive of a reasonable compromise. Liberals should not own or use guns.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.


18 posted on 02/19/2018 12:15:24 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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Trump made Parkland happen by rescinding Obama administration regulations barring the mentally ill from getting guns

Which, of course, he didn't.

19 posted on 02/19/2018 12:18:07 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Scotswife

Which crime did he commit?

Had he ever been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental health facility?

We should not create a law that would have prevented this kid from buying a guy—to the detriment of everyone else.

We need to come up with methods to keep any crazy person out of a school.

We are looking to solve an unsolvable problem. Lets solve the problem of access to schools.


20 posted on 02/19/2018 12:39:54 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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