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Sen. Jeff Flake Likes Due Process, But Only When It's Cherry-Picked
Townhall.com ^ | March 3, 2018 | Beth Bauman

Posted on 03/03/2018 2:34:51 PM PST by Kaslin

Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake (R) has been at odds with most of his Republican colleagues — and the President — over the last few months. On Thursday, he sat down with "CBS This Morning" to talk about a number of gun control measures he's hoping to push through, which seems to put him even more at odds with his Republican counterparts in Washington, D.C.

What Did Sen. Flake Propose?

Sen. Flake made a number of interesting calls for gun control that, quite honestly, make him seem like the furthest thing from a Second Amendment-supporting member of Congress.

Flake wants to:

• Ban bump stocks.
• Prevent those who are on the "no-fly list" from purchasing firearms.
• Raise the age to purchase a rifle from 18-years-old to 21.

A Call to the President

According to Flake, President Donald Trump needs to step up and advocate for some of the gun control policies that are being discussed in Congress. One particular part of his interview is disturbing though.

John Dickerson: Is he [the President] now on your side? Is he going to step up and what would that need to look like?

Jeff Flake: I hope he does. His leadership here is really critical if it's going to get through the House and the Senate. We had a similar meeting on immigration and that I was at and we heard a lot of good things that Tuesday and by that Thursday a lot of it had been walked back. I hope this time – and I do think it's a better chance this time — that the President will lead and really get out front on this. And there are a couple of items that we can make progress on. 

Dickerson: And what does leadership look like? Does it mean he has to say, "I want A, B, C, D and E" to pass? Does it mean getting on the phone and calling Republicans? What does it exactly look like?

Flake: Certainly the later. Get on the phone and say, "I'm going to sign this if it comes to my desk." That gives Republicans in Congress cover. If the President is on their side they don't have to worry so much about activist groups or the NRA or grassroots organizations that may think differently. So, it's extremely important for the President to lead here.

What Flake is really saying is that he has no repercussions for voting in favor of gun control legislation because he's not running for re-election. His constituents are hardcore Second Amendment supporters and he knows that. He no longer has an incentive to keep his promise to his constituents because he's no longer having his back scratched in the form of votes and political contributions.

Politicians aren't afraid of the NRA. They're not afraid of losing political contributions from the NRA. What politicians are afraid of is losing the vote of pro-gun constituents, the same ones who are members of the NRA. Remember, the NRA is 5 MILLION members strong. Those members have to vote somewhere.

It's absurd to think that Second Amendment advocates will allow members of Congress to get away with pushing gun control simply because President Trump is on their side. That couldn't be further from true. Just like we elected Trump, we can easily elect someone else to fill his shoes. The same goes for Congressmen and women who talk out of both sides of their mouth. 

A Cherry-Picked Version of Due Process

During part of the segment, Flake mentioned how shocked he was by President Trump's comments on taking away someone's guns and then worrying about due process later on.

Flake: Most remarkable was his [President Trump's] statement on due process. Uh, anything that we have introduced in the Congress respects due process. You've got to do that. So it was a bit astonishing to hear his language there. People around the table were kind of shaking their heads.

What makes Flake's statements beyond ironic? He's one of the main people pushing the 'No-Fly, No Buy' legislation, which would keep those who are on the no-fly list from purchasing firearms. 

The FBI can put anyone on the 'no-fly' list for dubious reasons, as Charles C.W. Cooke from National Review previously explained.

Here's the problem with the 'No-Fly, No Buy' legislation: it puts someone on the list and then they have to go to a federal court to challenge them being on the list, instead of the other way around. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?"

Gun owners don't have want terrorists getting their hands on gun. We don't want terrorists to have any way of legally obtaining weapons of any kind. We do, however, want to make sure that every American is protected under the Constitution. We want to make sure that he or she can challenge their status on the 'no fly' list before they're ever put on the list. 

When Flake talked about this bill on the floor of the Senate, he ensured that due process would take place.

Sen. Flake Speaks at Press Conference Supporting No-Fly, No Buy Legislation

Unless the text of the new No-Fly, No Buy' legislation changes, Americans will still fail to have any kind of due process before they're put on the 'no-fly' list. There's still an opportunity for law-abiding gun owners to fall through the cracks and have both their Fourteenth and Second Amendments violated.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: goodriddance; jeffflake; rino; secondamendment
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1 posted on 03/03/2018 2:34:51 PM PST by Kaslin
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.....isn’t this the flake who wanted cheap birth control pills?


2 posted on 03/03/2018 2:37:48 PM PST by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Kaslin

I can’t wait until this guy is out of our hair for good.


3 posted on 03/03/2018 2:42:17 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (A year in Arizona... and I haven't burst into flames yet.)
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To: Kaslin

why have the real nut cases taken over (as in D party) or nearly so (as in R party’s McShame, Flake, Kasick, Bush, Romney as it turns out, and a few more)?


4 posted on 03/03/2018 2:45:50 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: SandyInSeattle

I agree.


5 posted on 03/03/2018 2:47:21 PM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

It’s a damn shame that I wasn’t around when his beak got bent. Better luck next time.


6 posted on 03/03/2018 2:47:25 PM PST by Beagle8U (Nuke the Gay Whales!)
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To: faithhopecharity
Who is Kasick? You might pronounce it Kasick, but it Kasich
7 posted on 03/03/2018 2:50:45 PM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

well for that matter, my neighbor pronounces it Kasuck but however, thanks


8 posted on 03/03/2018 2:52:44 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: Kaslin

“Raise the age to purchase a rifle from 18-years-old to 21.”

This would include a .22 boys’ rifle to go plinking with daddy in the woods?


9 posted on 03/03/2018 2:58:27 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Kaslin

“What Flake is really saying is that he has no repercussions for voting in favor of gun control legislation because he’s not running for re-election. His constituents are hardcore Second Amendment supporters and he knows that. He no longer has an incentive to keep his promise to his constituents because he’s no longer having his back scratched in the form of votes and political contributions.”

Exactly. Flake lied repeatedly to Arizona voters. He has revealed that he has always been an oath-breaker, only constrained by how much he could get away with.

To be fair, he was mentored by John McCain, who operated exactly that way his entire Senate career.


10 posted on 03/03/2018 3:05:39 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Doogle

Birth control pills are already cheap. Less than $10 a month.


11 posted on 03/03/2018 3:10:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: Kaslin
That gives Republicans in Congress cover.

and that's what it's all about for hacks like Flake. Deflecting responsibility for anything substantive so they can promise their constituents everything- just elect me one more time. Just make me president. Go home, Flake. There's an adult in the White House now.

12 posted on 03/03/2018 3:18:35 PM PST by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Naw ,the other one was Sandra


13 posted on 03/03/2018 3:36:06 PM PST by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Kaslin

If Flake were a real conservative, he wouldn’t support government operating outside its authority.

If Flake were a real conservative, he would recognize that Article I, Section 8, gives the general government no power to make gun laws.

If Flake were a real conservative, he would promote the repeal of all laws that exceed the government’s area of authority.

But he’s not...


14 posted on 03/03/2018 3:39:25 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Kaslin

What is Flake going to do once he gets off Senate Welfare?


15 posted on 03/03/2018 3:43:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

Jeff comes from a long line of flakes.


16 posted on 03/03/2018 4:13:05 PM PST by HighSierra5
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To: Kaslin

Are all Arizona politicians Soros puppets, McCain and flakey Flake appear to be?


17 posted on 03/03/2018 4:15:41 PM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: Paladin2

Wild guess...Mittens/Flake want to run in 2020 primary...They both hate DJT and think the never Trumpers will get behind them with the Swamp.


18 posted on 03/03/2018 4:23:28 PM PST by Pigsley (Ca)
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To: Pigsley

If I live long enough to vote in that election, I will derive great pleasure in telling MYTH and FLAKEY to ESAD.


19 posted on 03/03/2018 5:27:34 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Kaslin

Biggest “puss” in Congres.


20 posted on 03/03/2018 6:44:21 PM PST by wardamneagle
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