Skip to comments.Against Fake Civility
Posted on 03/04/2018 9:08:01 PM PST by Kaslin
They tell us that our uppity refusal to quietly submit to abuse and subjugation, both figurative and literal, makes us bad people. Not only can we live with that, but we should celebrate it.
When the liberals and their squishy-soft allies in Conservative, Inc., start moaning about your dreadful incivility, thats a clear indicator that you are doing something right and that you need to double down. Civility, once properly understood as a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself, has morphed from an aspiration into a political/cultural gimp suit designed to prevent you from effectively asserting your interests and your point of view.
For liberals, civility is a grift they think its a punchline and theyre waiting to laugh at you for embracing it. Its a way to keep you from interrupting their non-stop attacks on your rights, your faith, and your dignity by convincing you that its somehow wrong to get upset when, say, some Astroturf Tot backed up by a bunch of leftist Red Guard orgs like Planned Parenthood and Move On starts shrieking that you have blood on your hands.
For the Fredocons, civility is just an excuse for lounging on the Lido Deck while those of us not signed onto Team Submissive wade in and fight. Its also an excuse to push back against the revolt of the Normals that their incompetent, self-serving bumbling created. They will never, ever attack the progressive cultural aggressors, those leftist savages spewing their death wishes against conservatives while saving the grossest sexual slurs for the brave female warriors whose will not back down in the face of progressive hate. Your refusal to knuckle under shames the sissycons.
No, they will attack you when you resist. Its unseemly to fight back, according to some True Conservative Principle we never heard of but that they insist is the central tenet of conservatism. Not giving in is not who we are, or something.
So dont swear.
Dont be mean.
Dont fail to get undone because maybe some of your allies failed to meet standards of propriety society tossed out the window two decades ago.
Dont win, whatever you do.
Yeah, were done with their version of civility because their version of civility is a lie too. George W. Bush was civil, oh so civil, or so dignified. He was so civil and dignified that we got eight years of Barack Obama and we came that close to going under forever. But funny how Dignified Georges civility lasted for only eight years of his pal/successor then vanished once the guy who beat his soft bro to a pulp showed up and took what was supposed to be one of the Bipartisan Civility Crews gig. Suddenly, when someone who wasnt part of the Approved Elite got elected, George found his ability to attack again. Of course, it was his own (supposed) side.
Bush was not just attacking Trump. He was attacking us Normals for daring to elect Trump. Many of us defended him when he was busy being oh-so-dignified and civil. And when we defied him and his class, he turned against us. Like a true gentleman.
Civility is a component of a system of reasoned debate, not its end product. Civility is necessary in a system where people reason in good faith in order to come to the best solution to the policy challenges facing them. Civility lubricates that process, and allows people of good faith to disagree without engendering unnecessary and destructive discord.
People of good faith. See, thats key.
The problem is that progressives are not people of good faith.
They are not trying to reason. They are not trying to compromise. They do not accept the basic concept that all American citizens have inalienable rights and that the law must apply equally to everyone. They hate us.
We are sub-human, unworthy of courtesy or respect. We have no rights; they might allow us some control over our personal lives, for now, but we exist at their sufferance. Thats their view. Thats their basic premise and if you ever go on social media they will tell you. So its no wonder that they feel no need to be civil.
Wake up. The truth is ugly, but its still the truth.
The hallmark of adulthood is putting away childish things, like the Pollyanna view that others must always be acting in good faith because we really, really want that to be true. Luckily, many of us have rejected the illusions and embraced the truth. And truth is more important than civility.
The rational system that incorporated civility as a central component no longer exists. Why should we preserve that one aspect of the whole when the other side has gleefully tossed the rest into the bonfire? Because its nice? Were not interested in nice. Were interested in not having our rights stolen from us.
Time to accept reality. We dont share a common foundation of beliefs with our enemies yeah, feel free to explode in a fussy fireball of fauxtrage because I call the people who constantly wish for my death on social media enemies. You cant have a discussion or a conversation with people whose bottom line position is that you must be gone, or at least stripped of anything like your rights and sovereignty.
All you can do is fight them.
The problem is not that we Normals are not nice. The problem is that we were nice for far too long. The hate and contempt of the left for Normal Americans grew and grew without any challenge, with any cost, without any pushback, such that it was able to take root and become progressivisms central premise.
They never paid a price for their hate, not until now (Hi Delta!). They dont like it, either thats why you see liberals constantly trying to use guilt and shame to get you to start playing by the old rules again. Notice how they never, ever prescribe that remedy to themselves?
And the Fredocons? Theyre as obedient as always to their class masters. They never, ever attack the left, but should you dare push back theres not a pearl theyll leave unclutched.
This country is in grave danger of real chaos as the Normals confront an elite that seeks to rule it without accountability or challenge. Will the country split apart? Will there be armed conflict? The chances of those awful possibilities coming true are much, much greater if we give the other side the false impression that we are not deadly serious about defending our Constitutional rights to the death, if necessary. Hell, many of us are already sworn to.
Civility is not a sign of weakness when a system of reasoned debate is in effect. But it is a sign of weakness, and will be taken as such by our enemies, when we cling to civility because we are too weak and afraid to admit the awful truth, that we are no longer a society ruled by reason but by power.
You want a civil society again? Good so do I. But the way to get it is not to surrender. It is to defeat those who want to crush you with lawless rulings by leftist judges, with economic warfare launched by woke corporations, and by the steady erosion of the rights your Creator granted you.
If civility means submission, the hell with it.
Amen, bro. Peggy Noonan is clutching her pearls in fright at the concept. F her and all the RINOs that have sold us down the river all these years. I support those who fight for us.
This guy is fantastic..!!
SCREW the National Review.
AND the Weekly Standard.
“The problem is not that we Normals are not nice. The problem is that we were nice for far too long. The hate and contempt of the left for Normal Americans grew and grew without any challenge, with any cost, without any pushback, such that it was able to take root and become progressivisms central premise.”
Exactly. The “Nice” dictate has been a major problem for years. We should have been standing up to these bullies from the beginning. It could have saved us from the mess we are in today.
Communists/ Progressives ... have a track record - their hated brings death. Bill Ayers and his Columbia University filth would do the same here:
“Communist regimes... turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government.”:2 ... death toll amounts to 94 million.:4 The breakdown of the number of deaths:
65 million in the People’s Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Ethiopia
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Eastern Bloc
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths “resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power.”:4
Repressions and famines occurring in the Soviet Union under the regimes of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin:
the execution of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners
the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922
the Russian famine of 1921, which caused the death of 5 million people
the Decossackization, a policy of systematic repression against the Don Cossacks between 1917 and 1933
the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930
the Great Purge which killed almost 690,000 people
the deportation of 2 million so-called “kulaks” from 1930 to 1932
the death of 4 million Ukrainians (Holodomor) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933
the deportations of Poles, Ukrainians, Moldovans and people from the Baltic states from 1939 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1945
the deportation of the Volga Germans in 1941
the deportation of the Crimean Tatars in 1943
Operation Lentil in 1944
the deportation of the Ingush in 1944.
Disagreeing without being Disagreeable.
Having your Heart in balance with your Head.
Presenting an argument rationally and calmly.
Striving to Unify not Divide.
Keep in mind your argument will not only be seen by a rabid opponent
but also by others watching online that may be more susceptible.
Unknown to you, seeds can be planted in minds that will later bear fruit.
An argument presented precisely with a finely honed logical point
can wound an opponent more effectively than name-calling anger.
Strenuous civility first, before opening that door to a dark place.
They are not trying to reason. They are not trying to compromise. They do not accept the basic concept that all American citizens have inalienable rights and that the law must apply equally to everyone. They hate us.”
Kurt knocks another one out of the park. I deal with these fools all the time. They are so used to spewing their BS that they cannot believe it when challenged. They are really upset that their usual tactic to yell "racism, sexism, name-your-.ism, no longer works.
Mr. Trump leads the way and people are following. Culture wars have been going on for years, no decades, but, now the battle is joined as never before. We all need to step up to the plate and fight as these fools try an ban, among other things, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to keep and bear arms.
SCREW the National Review.
AND the Weekly Standard.
But ... but ... but.....theyre SO civil!
“When the liberals and their squishy-soft allies in Conservative, Inc., start moaning about your dreadful incivility, thats a clear indicator that you are doing something right and that you need to double down.”
Absolutely! Their civility is just another word for political correctness.
Back in the 1990s I wrote, “It is long past time for decent people to wake up and realize that when dealing with scumbags, civility is nothing but a self-imposed handicap.”
Good to see people catching up.
K S for later. Thanks.
My yankee girlfriends always claimed southern civility and friendliness was a fake put on or facade
The very same crowd who bemoan the lack of civility in others are members of the same little group who thinks they're the betters of all the trash out in flyover country and who collectively have spent the past sixty years promoting everything that's torn down the cohesion and civility in our society.
Moan over reaping what you helped sow, Peggy, that's a law that doesn't change just because a little snit like you doesn't like reality.
You've just been smacked in the mouth by that invisible hand you love, that's all. Telling all the little people not to push social issues because they get in the way of your favorite economic theories leads to exactly where we are. STFU and enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Schlicter is the best.
“They are so used to spewing their BS that they cannot believe it when challenged.”
I’m in the middle of a small version of this on Facebook now. Somebody posted a “Remember When...” photo of Iron Eyes Cody of the 1960s sad “Indian” crying about trash in the environment. I pointed out he was a fake “Indian” and posted the Snopes article that actually reflected the truth that the actor was of Italian descent, not Native American. The original poster and another respondent derided my info and position. SMH...
Ah yes Kurt. I am right there with you. I am all for being civil if it is evenly applied.
Otherwise it is used to keep YOU from fighting back and accepting their lies.
This silly acceptance of the left and the MSM narrative on these school shootings guarantees more school shootings and YOU are being bullied into keeping quiet about facts that are visible in most of these shootings. We aren’t crazy or they would not need to censor our proof.