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Florida Gun Bill: Whatís in It, and What Isnít
NY Times ^ | March 8, 2018 | MAGGIE ASTOR

Posted on 03/07/2018 9:51:04 PM PST by Innovative

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To: Innovative

Two things missing from the “What it does not do list”:

1- Fire members of law enforcement (especially Sheriffs and FBI Agents) who fail to do their jobs.

2 - What liberals really want and won’t be satisfied until they get; removal of the 2nd Amendment and confiscation of all guns from law abiding citizens.


21 posted on 03/08/2018 1:48:15 AM PST by TonyM (UPS)
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To: Innovative

Are you kidding?


22 posted on 03/08/2018 2:08:31 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

in see you know nothing about the state of Florida...also..18..19..20 year olds....smh..


23 posted on 03/08/2018 2:17:16 AM PST by basalt
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To: Mount Athos

More people must be “medicated” now than I ever thought possible to accept this kind of crap as something good for our Constitutional right to “keep and bear arms”......


24 posted on 03/08/2018 2:23:16 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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To: Innovative

And none of it is retroactive?


25 posted on 03/08/2018 2:29:20 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Innovative

(c) In determining whether grounds for a risk protection
856 order exist, the court may consider any relevant evidence,
857 including, but not limited to, any of the following:

891 13. Evidence of recent acquisition of firearms or
892 ammunition by the respondent.


26 posted on 03/08/2018 3:15:27 AM PST by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco (I love liberals. They taste like chicken.)
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To: CurlyDave
Bum[p] stocks are out, but how about binary triggers?

We'll have to find out if binary triggers are included. Here's the text of the law straight from the bill:

790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

I could argue that a binary trigger is not a "kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device," but is instead an integral part of the firearm as it is an essential part of the firing mechanism.

But like all things, it will depend on how prosecutors and ultimately judges rule on the matter.

27 posted on 03/08/2018 3:22:36 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Reno89519
Raising the age and creating a waiting period are bad, very bad.

Florida already has a three day waiting period for handguns. This law would extend that to all firearms. The law also states that the waiting period is waived under certain circumstances:

(2) The waiting period does not apply in the following circumstances:
(a) When a firearm is being purchased by a holder of a concealed weapons permit as defined in s. 790.06.
(b) To a trade-in of another firearm.
(c) To the purchase of a rifle or shotgun, upon a person’s successfully completing a minimum of a 16-hour hunter safety course and possessing a hunter safety certification card issued under s. 379.3581. A person who is exempt from the hunter safety course requirements under s. 379.3581 and holds a valid Florida hunting license, is exempt from the mandatory waiting period under this section for the purchase of a rifle or shotgun.
(d) When a rifle or shotgun is being purchased by a law enforcement officer or correctional officer, as those terms are defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9), or a servicemember as defined in s. 250.01.

28 posted on 03/08/2018 3:29:40 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Innovative

>>It isn’t as bad as we feared.

...according to the New York Times, an unbiased pinnacle of the free press..


29 posted on 03/08/2018 3:30:53 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Innovative
What the bill does:

Add: IT LETS THE FBI, Broward County School District, and Sheriff off the hook! What it doesn’t do:

Doesn't solve the problem of letting crazy liberals from getting guns!

30 posted on 03/08/2018 3:35:30 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progressives, or Democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!)
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To: Innovative
It isn't as bad as we feared.

What was left out of the article:

This bill gives law enforcement the ability to take possession of all firearms and ammunition from someone if they feel a credible threat was made by that person. So you have an argument with your spouse and the police are called. Your spouse claims that you made threats. The police get an emergency order from a judge and seizes all of your firearms and ammunition. Then you must go to court and argue before a judge why the seizure shouldn't be permanent.

This bill also goes into effect immediately upon signature of the governor, and provides for no grace period for owners of "bump-fire stocks" as defined any time to lawfully dispose of them. Once the bill is signed, anyone in possession of a bump-fire stock is a felon.

31 posted on 03/08/2018 3:42:30 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Innovative

Yes, it is as bad as we feared.

Florida Republicans caved.


32 posted on 03/08/2018 4:06:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (What America needs is more Hogg control.)
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To: Trump20162020
This country treats people like babies for way too long.

Scientists now say that the human brain doesn't fully develop until someone is 25 years old. The problem in America is that Liberals want to keep coddling and controlling young adults until they are at least 25, because they will have been fully indoctrinated to believe that the world is suppose to care for them and coddle them for their ENTIRE LIVES!

This crap is all by design! You want to talk about "progress"? George Washington was running his own business doing surveying and mapping across the rugged Virginia landscape when he was 15 years old! Now we have 21 year-old "kids" eating Tide Pods! Great job, you liberal progressives! Great Job!
33 posted on 03/08/2018 4:17:43 AM PST by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: Reno89519

I don’t think raising the age to 21 will pass a Constitutional challenge. It passed a challenge when it was only on handguns as the reasoning was someone less than 21 could still buy a shotgun or rifle, but raising the age on all prohibits an adult (18 and over) from exercising their 2A right. Also interesting was the debate on the floor of the House...totally emotion driven and I even heard one legislator make the argument that kids today mature much slower so an adult age may even be older than 21...what does that say about us as a society? (Don’t answer, I know).


34 posted on 03/08/2018 4:20:28 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: Innovative

Actually, it’s pretty useless...a 21 y/o with a CCW, hunter’s safety course or other firearms training can still bypass the waiting period. A member of the military is exempt, too. Total “feel good” useless legislation to say they “did something” and for Gov Scott’s run for Senate.


35 posted on 03/08/2018 4:23:38 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: Mount Athos

“People” didn’t...legislators did. They also said openly on the floor of the House that children mature more slowly today so 21 may not actually be adult today.


36 posted on 03/08/2018 4:24:56 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: fortheDeclaration

My kids do. They actually work on the campaigns, too.


37 posted on 03/08/2018 4:26:01 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: ripnbang

Is the bill severable? That is, if courts strike down that provision as unconstitutional, does such ruling over turn the entire law?


38 posted on 03/08/2018 4:30:48 AM PST by skepsel (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Reno89519
I find it ironic they raised the age for rifles vs. hand guns - I have a few hand guns that with just a couple extended magazines could egest 100+ rounds - and don't require a gym bag to conceal...

But - they always knee-jerk and come up with appeasements rather than solutions....to bad they raised the age - maybe we ought to raise the enlisting/voting ages to 21 to go along with it....

39 posted on 03/08/2018 4:58:13 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Trump20162020

What use is a waiting period for a person who already has a firearm?


40 posted on 03/08/2018 4:58:52 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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