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Letís have a good-faith argument about socialism
Washington Post ^ | March 11, 2018 | Elizabeth Bruenig

Posted on 03/12/2018 6:30:21 AM PDT by C19fan

Last week, I wrote a column arguing that liberals concerned about ongoing failures in the American experiment should consider socialist remedies. I knew there would be quite a bit of disagreement. And I knew that most — though, crucially, not all — of it would unfold in bad faith.

What is bad faith? It’s a term coined by the philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre that means, in the helpful gloss of George Mason University anthropologist Roger Lancaster, when you tell a lie and you start to believe it, then forget it was a lie. In the argumentative context, engaging in bad faith means to engage without really trying to understand or address the opposing view, which usually manifests in profound mischaracterizations of the other side. At that point — especially when caught up in the thrilling energy of group condemnation — it’s easy to forget that you’re arguing against a position of your own invention.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: academicbias; communistgoals; elizabethbruenig; idiotorial; millennials; socialism; usefulidiot
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Miss Socialist Millenial is back at it again. Another leftie espousing Norway as an example of what she means by her utopia vision leaving out almost all the wealth the Norwegian gov't controls is oil and natural gas.
1 posted on 03/12/2018 6:30:21 AM PDT by C19fan
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Another leftie espousing Norway as an example of what she means by her utopia vision leaving out almost all the wealth the Norwegian gov't controls is oil and natural gas.

That wealth is working well for the folks in Venezuela

2 posted on 03/12/2018 6:34:50 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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Is this that same ditzy broad who said we need to “give Socialism a try”? I responded then that she should move to North Korea for 5 or 10 years and report back to us on how that worked out.


3 posted on 03/12/2018 6:35:08 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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Why not!

Let's start with interviews of typical North Korean citizens.Then move on to typical Venezuelan citizens.Then on to East Germans...South Africans...Mexicans....

4 posted on 03/12/2018 6:36:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama & Hillary: The Two Most Corrupt Politicians of My Lifetime.)
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Why not start with truth in nomenclature? Rename the Democratic Party the “Democratic Socialists”. The appellation “Democat” should always be followed by the word socialist.


5 posted on 03/12/2018 6:37:07 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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Send her to Venezuela to experience socialism first hand.


6 posted on 03/12/2018 6:37:13 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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Another leftie espousing Norway as an example of what she means by her utopia vision ...

Huge oil reserves + tiny population = affluence.But I've read that Norway's oil is running low.

7 posted on 03/12/2018 6:37:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama & Hillary: The Two Most Corrupt Politicians of My Lifetime.)
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It is impossible to have a “good faith” argument about a socio-economic system that is rooted in a doctrine of bad-faith regarding human behavior.


8 posted on 03/12/2018 6:41:05 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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Leftist are so freaking stupid, She talks about arguing in bad faith while she clings to one example when there are literally hundreds of examples that show the disaster of socialism. Yeah she’s a real intellectual Giant.


9 posted on 03/12/2018 6:42:03 AM PDT by Federal46
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Seriously — we do not even need to pretend to have this discussion.

Socialism has been around for a long time. It fails everywhere (Norway hasn’t run out of other people’s money yet, but it will not last). Socialist governments have killed over 100 million people. It’s bad. It’s a failure. The test results are in.

No need for discussion.


10 posted on 03/12/2018 6:42:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The government cannot protect you and isn't even trying. Self-defense is a right.)
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Karl Marx said that the goal of Socialism was Communism.


11 posted on 03/12/2018 6:42:55 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Wear an orange pin to mourn the victims of the Tide Pods Challenge.)
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12 posted on 03/12/2018 6:43:26 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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if she loves Norway so much, she should up and move there.

if she insists that other nations aren’t “real Socialism” why doesn’t she move to one of those and push for “reform Socialism”?

Why does she claim that the American way is just a “failed experiment”?


13 posted on 03/12/2018 6:45:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Wear an orange pin to mourn the victims of the Tide Pods Challenge.)
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I remember this argument from college back in the 60’s.
Claiming that all positions must be allowed if we are to truly understand a subject.< br>
Fast forward sixty years and now that Marxism is in vogue, it is considered hate speech to disagree.
14 posted on 03/12/2018 6:47:00 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The fruit of the poison tree should invalidate any of the mule's findings, right ?)
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Ben Shapiro's response to this:

WaPo Columnist who Advocated Socialism: No, I Really Just Meant Norway. Okay, Here Are Some Facts About Norway.
15 posted on 03/12/2018 6:49:15 AM PDT by The Pack Knight
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Socialists have been saying for years, “we’ll get it right this time.”


16 posted on 03/12/2018 6:50:19 AM PDT by Nanny7
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Hilarious!

The Left can’t win a debate. In the real world, its shadow banning opponents, purging social media accounts and trying to brownbeat conservative sites out of business by demonetizing them and denying them traffic.

And they come and tell how wonderful socialism is? What they’re doing is the essence of socialism!

A bad tree does not produce good fruit.


17 posted on 03/12/2018 6:50:19 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever) I)
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"Let’s have a good-faith argument about socialism"

And what, exactly, would be different from the other multitude of arguments on socialism.
Put simply, the Left almost never negotiates or argues in good faith, and in those few good faith times are when they know retribution is sure and swift if they break an agreement. In fact, they're like the kid in school that spends the same (or more) time trying to cheat on a test, where if the same effort were spent studying, they could do just as well.

18 posted on 03/12/2018 6:53:02 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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All we need to do is show how Socialism can ruin a country. See China during the ill-advised Great Leap Forward and what's happening in Venezuela as I type this.
19 posted on 03/12/2018 6:54:06 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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I am all for socialism as long as I can be in charge of redistributing the services.


20 posted on 03/12/2018 6:55:11 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen ((Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong))
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