While fighting deceased Kurds, how can Turkey make peace with its “living” Kurds?

Ahval ^ | Mar 19 2018 | Nurcan Baysal

[Texas Fossil]

Many of you know that for the past 3 years I have been heavily involved following the Syrian Kurds battles with ISIS from Kobani to Deir Ezzor.

Throughout this I've come to like and respect Syrian Kurds deeply. The number killed fighting for freedom from oppression is large.

This is one of the most moving statements about their treatment that I have read.

It reminds me of what was done to the Armenians in this region in 1915.

Please read this. This should not be how mankind acts toward another human being.

[Texas Fossil]

Syria Ping

[mrmeyer]

I don’t like edrogan and the Turks. I don’t shed tears for dead communists.

[RetiredTexasVet]

Those “Turkeys” are not our friends!

[PAR35]

Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)

Might be a bit more accurate to say Kurdistan Communist Party. Marxist-Leninist.

Islamic Communists against Islamic militants.

I think I'll sit that one out.

[Texas Fossil]

I don’t like Communists. I don’t like any kind of totalitarians. none of them.

I have grown to like and respect Syrian Kurds.

I’ve some knowledge of the PKK. It is a mixed thing on that.

[Texas Fossil]

There is not a single one that is Islamist.

There are some Muslims. There are many atheists among PKK. There are some Christians. There are some Lefties. I’ve seen some of them flash Che’ banners, I hate it.

I am close to some YPG/JPJ in Syria. They are totally secular. There are a broad sector of religions among them.

They are kind people. They are good neighbors. I’ve seen what they do to protect others from ISIS. That is enough for me.

[DUMBGRUNT]

Somehow this event from U.S. history feels connected.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/biographies/robert-gould-shaw

Initially assigned to manual labor details, the 54th did not see real action until a skirmish with Confederate troops at James Island on July 16. Two days later, Shaw and his men were among the units chosen to lead the assault on Battery Wagner, part of the defenses of Charleston. Shaw was killed in the charge, bravely urging his men forward, but the 54th had proven that they were as brave as anyone, black or white.

Confederate General Johnson Hagood refused to return Shaw’s body to the Union army, and to show contempt for the officer who led black troops, Hagood had Shaw’s body buried in a common trench with his men. Rather than considering this a dishonor, Shaw’s father proclaimed “We would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers....We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company – what a body-guard he has!”

[PAR35]

There is not a single one that is Islamist.

I did break with FR tradition and I read the story before posting:

There are just a few imams in the region who can wash and perform the religious ceremonies for these bodies.

That doesn't meet my definition of secular.

Rule number 1 in the Middle East. There are no good guys.

[PAR35]

So you see no difference between someone who buries an officer with his enlisted men, and someone who leaves the dead to be eaten by wild animals? Not only are you a dumbgrunt, you are a damnyankee as well.

[Texas Fossil]

Iraq Kurds were 98% Muslim.

PKK is secular, some Muslim, ZERO Islamists, many atheists.

YPG/YPJ in Syria? Totally secular. I can give you more info on that but I’m sure of it.

Respectfully

[PAR35]

PKK is secular, some Muslim, ZERO Islamists, many atheists.

Well, atheism is the official religion of Communists.

I wonder if someone should point out to them that they are following the teachings of a Jew.

[DUMBGRUNT]

Please capitalize the ‘D’ in Dumbgrunt.

Yes, I am proud of my service, and my MOS, 11B.

Have the scars to prove it.

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[wgmalabama]

+1

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

This is clearly in the domain of war crimes, so the best response is to both develop a list of those individuals involved, then present it to permanent war crimes tribunals to request European and international arrest warrants.

The Bosnian war resulted in many such arrest warrants, and many of them were pursued, and there were even some convictions obtained.

Once this information has been filed, then just a public relations struggle needs to be conducted to force the tribunals to act, or lose all credibility in the future.

If nothing else, if a single responsible individual is sanctioned, it opens the door to many other such things. It means they cannot travel outside of Turkey or face arrest. It also means that any bank accounts or investments outside of Turkey can be seized. It also means that their faces will adorn wanted posters as war criminals, first in the rest of Europe, and then in Turkey itself.

With enough pressure, the government of Turkey will at first resist, but eventually will give up such war criminals for prosecution. It will put a damper on such activities by their military in the future.

[House Atreides]

“...Rule number 1 in the Middle East. There are no good guys.”
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You may not know it but you are showing your gross ignorance. But that’s nothing new.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Ironically enough I believe the Kurdish irregulars acted for the Turks in the Armenian Genocide.

No, I do not believe in generational or collective guilt. I tend to like the Kurds as a general rule.

Still, it is ironic.

[Texas Fossil]

You are correct, but Kurds long ago admitted their involvement in that. Some actually tried to help the Armenians, Greeks and Alevi’s escape. If caught they were given the same treatment as the Armenians.

I’d have to look for it, but there is a timeline showing when the events took place (were many) and when the guilty admitted doing it. Turkey has NEVER admitted a single case.

This is exactly what we are seeing in Afrin, Syria now.

Our military are very very close to the Syrian Kurds in YPG/YPJ and the SDF. The trust factor is extremely high.

I know some history of the PKK. They are pretty widespread, even in Europe.

[Does so]

bmk for FYI