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What happens when an algorithm cuts your health care
The Verge ^ | 21 March 2018 | Colin Lecher

Posted on 03/22/2018 12:13:19 PM PDT by blueplum

....Algorithmic tools like the one Arkansas instituted in 2016 are everywhere from health care to law enforcement, altering lives in ways the people affected can usually only glimpse, if they know they’re being used at all. Even if the details of the algorithms are accessible, which isn’t always the case, they’re often beyond the understanding even of the people using them, raising questions about what transparency means in an automated age, and concerns about people’s ability to contest decisions made by machines. {snip}

...Arkansas has said the previous, human-based system was ripe for favoritism and arbitrary decisions. “We knew there would be changes for some individuals because, again, this assessment is much more objective,” a spokesperson told the Arkansas Times after the system was implemented. Aid recipients have pointed to a lack of evidence showing such bias in the state... The Arkansas Department of Human Services, which administers the program, declined to answer any questions for this story, citing a lawsuit unfolding in state court.{snip}

One of the most bizarre cases happened in Idaho, where the state made an attempt, like Arkansas, to institute an algorithm for allocating home care and community integration funds, but built it in-house. The state’s home care program calculated what it would cost to care for severely disabled people, then allotted funds to pay for help. But around 2011, when a new formula was instituted, those funds suddenly dropped precipitously for many people, by as much as 42 percent. When the people whose benefits were cut tried to determine how their benefits were determined, the state declined to disclose the formula it was using, saying that its math qualified as a trade secret...

(Excerpt) Read more at theverge.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: ai; algorithm; algorithmcare; computercare; deathpanels; healthcare; rationedcare
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This is a long read, addressing specific issues and court cases ongoing in several states but that affect all states. Automation is running the show, care is rationed by algorithm, but nobody knows how to easily correct mistakes alogrithms are making because those humans administering the programs assume the machines are correct and so the final decision.

to pull another quote from the article, “There’s this immensely complex system around which no standards have been published, so that no one in their agency caught it until we initiated federal litigation and spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to get here today. That’s the problem.”

1 posted on 03/22/2018 12:13:19 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Death Panels are so much easier when there are no people on the panel.

Don’t imagine this isn’t deliberate.


2 posted on 03/22/2018 12:15:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Racism against Whites is a real thing. Let's stop pretending it isn't.)
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To: blueplum

Open the pod bay doors, Hal......................


3 posted on 03/22/2018 12:18:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (The people who call Trump a tyrant are the same people who want the president to confiscate weapons.)
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To: Red Badger

4 posted on 03/22/2018 12:21:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Shibumi, watch over me until I, too, break on through to the other side.)
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To: blueplum
Answer:

You exchange the modern medical model for naturopathic medicine, educate and do it yourself, and actually get better instead of covering up symptoms.

5 posted on 03/22/2018 12:31:32 PM PDT by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: blueplum

... and yet I’d rather be dealing with an algorithm than this..
“the previous, human-based system was ripe for favoritism and arbitrary decisions.”


6 posted on 03/22/2018 12:34:41 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: blueplum

I always thought that “algorithm” was a hish-math problem.


7 posted on 03/22/2018 12:37:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: blueplum
Whoa! The computer did that thing again where it lays everybody off...


8 posted on 03/22/2018 12:40:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: blueplum; All




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9 posted on 03/22/2018 1:04:52 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: blueplum
"If the algorithm brings a knife, you bring a gun. If the algorithm prevents one of yours from checking in to a hospital, you put the algorithm in the Recycle Bin.."

;-)

10 posted on 03/22/2018 1:05:58 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: Salvavida

How well does “naturopathic medicine” work to fix shattered bones?


11 posted on 03/22/2018 1:13:53 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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... the state declined to disclose the formula it was using, saying that its math qualified as a trade secret...

So much for open government.

It's a state government - "trade secret" my ass...

12 posted on 03/22/2018 1:16:29 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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And these are the academics who decide what is best for others. They can claim efficiency and better than human performance but they can’t prove it

If there is fraud address the fraud. It makes no sense to have a machine do box checking that is way more arbitrary and certainly less informational


13 posted on 03/22/2018 1:55:35 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: WayneS

Perfect


14 posted on 03/22/2018 1:56:29 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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When the people whose benefits were cut tried to determine how their benefits were determined, the state declined to disclose the formula it was using, saying that its math qualified as a trade secret...

OMG! Hillary was way ahead of the curve!

Time for a class action suit!
More likely a bureaucratic "we like arbitrarily to make up our own sh**" secret.

15 posted on 03/22/2018 1:58:17 PM PDT by publius911 (Am I pissed? You have NO idea...)
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Algorithms don’t kill people. People kill people.

An algorithm is designed and written by a person with the intention of automating a decision making process. To suggest that it can do anything is anthropomorphism designer to deflect responsibility from its creators and users.


16 posted on 03/22/2018 2:03:19 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Nifster

Are you saying it works perfectly or that you like my question?

;-)


17 posted on 03/22/2018 2:23:20 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: sparklite2

was ripe doesn’t mean it happened, tho. And the state hasn’t been able to point at any cases of ‘favoritism and arbitrary decisions.’ It’s like the state saying, it might rain.


18 posted on 03/22/2018 2:58:21 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: WayneS

Be reasonable.Most people are on forever-pills. Trauma is different, although blending naturopathic medicine can speed recovery.


19 posted on 03/22/2018 3:05:33 PM PDT by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: Salvavida

I am being reasonable. You touted “naturopathic medicine” as the solution to having one’s health care coverage reduced.

Close to 90% of my health care expenses for the last 20 years have been for various orthopedic surgeries. If some “algorithm” had prevented me from, say, having my right shoulder rebuilt, naturopathic medicine would not have been able to help me.


20 posted on 03/22/2018 3:25:20 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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