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What happens when an algorithm cuts your health care
The Verge ^
| 21 March 2018
| Colin Lecher
Posted on 03/22/2018 12:13:19 PM PDT by blueplum
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This is a long read, addressing specific issues and court cases ongoing in several states but that affect all states. Automation is running the show, care is rationed by algorithm, but nobody knows how to easily correct mistakes alogrithms are making because those humans administering the programs assume the machines are correct and so the final decision.
to pull another quote from the article, Theres this immensely complex system around which no standards have been published, so that no one in their agency caught it until we initiated federal litigation and spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to get here today. Thats the problem.
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:13:19 PM PDT
by
blueplum
To: blueplum
Death Panels are so much easier when there are no people on the panel.
Don’t imagine this isn’t deliberate.
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:15:03 PM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Racism against Whites is a real thing. Let's stop pretending it isn't.)
To: blueplum
Open the pod bay doors, Hal......................
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:18:24 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(The people who call Trump a tyrant are the same people who want the president to confiscate weapons.)
To: Red Badger
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:21:06 PM PDT
by
Salamander
(Shibumi, watch over me until I, too, break on through to the other side.)
To: blueplum
Answer:
You exchange the modern medical model for naturopathic medicine, educate and do it yourself, and actually get better instead of covering up symptoms.
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:31:32 PM PDT
by
Salvavida
(The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
To: blueplum
... and yet I’d rather be dealing with an algorithm than this..
“the previous, human-based system was ripe for favoritism and arbitrary decisions.”
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:34:41 PM PDT
by
sparklite2
(See more at Sparklite Times)
To: blueplum
I always thought that “algorithm” was a hish-math problem.
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posted on
03/22/2018 12:37:24 PM PDT
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country)
To: blueplum
Whoa! The computer did that thing again where it lays everybody off...
To: blueplum; All
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:04:52 PM PDT
by
musicman
(The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
To: blueplum
"If the algorithm brings a knife, you bring a gun. If the algorithm prevents one of yours from checking in to a hospital, you put the algorithm in the Recycle Bin.."
;-)
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:05:58 PM PDT
by
WayneS
(An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
To: Salvavida
How well does “naturopathic medicine” work to fix shattered bones?
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:13:53 PM PDT
by
WayneS
(An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
To: blueplum
... the state declined to disclose the formula it was using, saying that its math qualified as a trade secret... So much for open government.
It's a state government - "trade secret" my ass...
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:16:29 PM PDT
by
WayneS
(An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
To: blueplum
And these are the academics who decide what is best for others. They can claim efficiency and better than human performance but they cant prove it
If there is fraud address the fraud. It makes no sense to have a machine do box checking that is way more arbitrary and certainly less informational
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:55:35 PM PDT
by
Nifster
(I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
To: WayneS
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:56:29 PM PDT
by
Nifster
(I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
To: blueplum
When the people whose benefits were cut tried to determine how their benefits were determined, the state declined to disclose the formula it was using, saying that its math qualified as a trade secret... OMG! Hillary was way ahead of the curve!
Time for a class action suit!
More likely a bureaucratic "we like arbitrarily to make up our own sh**" secret.
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posted on
03/22/2018 1:58:17 PM PDT
by
publius911
(Am I pissed? You have NO idea...)
To: blueplum
Algorithms dont kill people. People kill people.
An algorithm is designed and written by a person with the intention of automating a decision making process. To suggest that it can do anything is anthropomorphism designer to deflect responsibility from its creators and users.
To: Nifster
Are you saying it works perfectly or that you like my question?
;-)
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posted on
03/22/2018 2:23:20 PM PDT
by
WayneS
(An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
To: sparklite2
was ripe doesn’t mean it happened, tho. And the state hasn’t been able to point at any cases of ‘favoritism and arbitrary decisions.’ It’s like the state saying, it might rain.
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posted on
03/22/2018 2:58:21 PM PDT
by
blueplum
( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
To: WayneS
Be reasonable.Most people are on forever-pills. Trauma is different, although blending naturopathic medicine can speed recovery.
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posted on
03/22/2018 3:05:33 PM PDT
by
Salvavida
(The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
To: Salvavida
I am being reasonable. You touted naturopathic medicine as the solution to having ones health care coverage reduced.
Close to 90% of my health care expenses for the last 20 years have been for various orthopedic surgeries. If some algorithm had prevented me from, say, having my right shoulder rebuilt, naturopathic medicine would not have been able to help me.
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posted on
03/22/2018 3:25:20 PM PDT
by
WayneS
(An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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