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Takings Clause?
1 posted on 03/29/2018 6:19:10 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: old-ager

Rule my ass. Pass a damned law. We’re not a nation of rules.


2 posted on 03/29/2018 6:20:54 AM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: old-ager

So, do I have to get rid of all my rubber bands?


3 posted on 03/29/2018 6:21:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: old-ager

This “definition” just manufactures a fake reality. A machine gun fires more than one round with a single cycle of the trigger. With bump fire the rifle still only fires once with each pull of the trigger. Whether that pull is initiated by momentum or the muscles of a finger it still fires only one round per pull or cycle of the trigger.


4 posted on 03/29/2018 6:24:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: old-ager
The rule is clearly based on false information.

continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger

The bump stock is designed to make it easier to pull the trigger rapidly. It does not operate with a single pull of the trigger.

5 posted on 03/29/2018 6:24:42 AM PDT by sipow
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To: old-ager

“harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.”

The bump fire does not occur without a finger moving the trigger.


7 posted on 03/29/2018 6:27:19 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: old-ager
Takings Clause?

Only applies to property taken by the government for public use.

9 posted on 03/29/2018 6:37:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: old-ager

Rule making has time period for making comments on proposed rules .

Perhaps some of the posters here might wish to provide their analysis and voice their disapproval in the NTM comment process.

Chances are , this rule proposal is shot down after all the comments have been taken into account.

The process will take another few months so by the time the rule making processes is finished, peoples emotions will have cooled off.


12 posted on 03/29/2018 6:50:35 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: old-ager

Time to bombard them during the public comment period.


18 posted on 03/29/2018 8:12:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: old-ager

You don’t even need a stock.

You only need one finger and another hand.


20 posted on 03/29/2018 8:17:21 AM PDT by chris37 (I love my German Shepherd girls!)
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To: old-ager
Specifically, these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun by functioning as a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

This description is demonstrably false. The "harnessing of recoil energy" is irrelevant; the sliding motion of bump-fire stocks uses the shooter's muscle tension to continually manipulate the trigger through each reset and firing cycle. The physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter never stops - that's why BATFE approved these designs in the first place - and why they will even work on virtually recoil-free .22 rimfire rifles (with a light trigger).

22 posted on 03/29/2018 8:33:53 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: old-ager

Triangulating on gun control is as bad an idea as triangulating on illegal immigration. (Oh, we love you largely English-illiterate, low-life, rabidly anti-American DACA illegals!)


23 posted on 03/29/2018 8:36:23 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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“and devices with certain similar characteristics...”

... which this “rule” conveniently leaves undefined so that the agency can “interpret” what similar characteristics are covered later.


24 posted on 03/29/2018 8:43:44 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: old-ager

Semantics, technicalities, either you want to allow automatic fire weapons or you don’t.

Fighting over semantics and technicalities is silly.

Bump stocks or rubber bands can turn a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic fire weapon. PERIOD! Close enough!

Is THIS the 2nd amendment hill you want to die on?

I agree that automatic fire weapons SHOULD be illegal for private citizens. I agree that bump stocks and other like devices SHOULD be illegal for private citizens.

Confiscation ONLY after adjudication. Fines not jail time.


29 posted on 03/29/2018 9:14:19 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: old-ager

un-Constitutional. Completely

The president is executive branch, not legislative. If he can get away with unilaterally forcing the ATF to categorize a bump-fire stock as an NFA device, then he also can get away with forcing the FDC to declare Hooters hot wings to be a Schedule III drug.

Florida’s anti-bump-fire law already is being challenged on the grounds that it violates the Due Process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments. It violates Due Process to force an individual to throw away something they bought and paid for when still completely legal without they be compensated for the loss.

And let’s not forget the NRA played an active role in this when they offered that they would not be opposed to bump-fire stocks being further regulated. They’re supposed to have our backs, not be stabbing us in the back.


32 posted on 03/29/2018 12:57:23 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: old-ager
"because such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger. "

complete lie!!!

33 posted on 03/29/2018 5:25:17 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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