Posted on 04/19/2018 1:12:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy
Look for more of this to happen as the years ago by.
This is about immigration law. Criminal aliens, criminal foreign nationals, illegal aliens now given due process thanks to Gorsuch and the commies on the bench.
Trump basically just tweeted Grocsuh decision. Trump is agreeing with Grosuch that CONGRESS needs to act on this because the law is far too vague as written.
How about the wonder morons around here stop whit the hysteric knee jerk emoting and start thinking for once?
Only if your an emotionally hysteric fool who simply puts their hands over their ears to avoid hearing ANYTHING that proves their knee jerk ignorance infantile and wrong. Trump just AGREED with Gorsuch. Instead of emoting try THINKING one time
Yup.
'"Today’s Court decision means that Congress must close loopholes that block the removal of dangerous criminal aliens, including aggravated felons," Trump tweeted. "This is a public safety crisis that can only be fixed by Congress — House and Senate must quickly pass a legislative fix to ensure violent criminal aliens can be removed from our society. Keep America Safe!"'
EVERYONE gets Due Process you utter idiot.
We are not, yet, some third wold hell hole where every little tin pot jack ass with a badge or a court gets to ignore the rule of law any time it doesn’t valid their poltical feelings.
POTUS Trump’s Tweet did not attack Gorsuch or the SCOTUS.
Again we se the Media types injecting their Opinion without any evidence of Fact.
The only process they’re entitled to is to have their asses deported. You ignorant fark.
Vague law is subject to bad interpretation. The fault lies with Congress, which is the entity called out by Trump. The writer of this article says the comments were a “veiled” reference to Gorsuch - but the specific content was aimed at Congress.
“Crime of violence” is not a legal term, and should not be used to identify a legally justiciable deportation condition.
Gorsuch, as is pointed out elsewhere on this thread, echoed Scalia in his judgment.
I would be curious as to whether Justice Thomas was consistent with his prior vote. I would expect that he was, given the stature of his legal mind.
Stupid congress-critters write stupid laws, and the public suffer because of it.
Your 10th grade education matches my college graduate education (and my job of reviewing technical documents for a living).
Trump griped at CONGRESS, not SCOTUS.
Correct.
Bingo! Gorsuch is acting like a Constitutionalist.
He’s simply saying that laws written by morons are useless.
Trumps actual words are a defense of Gorsuch’s ruling! FakeNews strikes again.
MAGA!
“How about the wonder morons around here stop whit the hysteric knee jerk emoting and start thinking for once?”
Where’s the fun in that?
Until Congress fixes this Trump must deport all criminal aliens equally.
Gorsuch’s opinion would, if accepted by the full court, put an end to allowing bureaucrats from interpreting vague provisions of laws to fine and imprison people for doing stuff like draining puddles in their back yards. If his opinion became the majority, then the EPA and other stupid agencies would be prohibited from turning vague provisions into hammers to pound ordinary citizens.
You have to read between the lines. In this case Gorsuch found that the wording of the statute regarding what is or is not a “crime of violence” could be interpreted by some bureaucrat as making something like shoplifting into a violent crime, since there is a possibility that a store clerk might fall and injure himself while chasing you through the parking lot.
Likewise a provision that allows standing water anywhere on your property to be considered some kind of watershed would be voided on the same principle.
Gorsuch struck a blow against the deep state with his opinion. Hopefully this kind of reasoning will be applied to all federal statutes.
Remember that at least among the conservative justices, they are not stupid people.
Had Chief Justice Roberts voted against Obamacare, it would have not only passed, but the decision would have been written by the liberals, and it would be *impossible* to get rid of. Ever. “Written in stone.”
But by voting for Obamacare, Justice Roberts could give it a “poison pill” to insure that sooner rather than later, it would be destroyed. And that is what he did, which is why Obamacare is on the road to ruin RIGHT NOW.
Yet only a painfully few number of people grasped this idea, elsewhere and here, and roundly cursed Chief Justice for being a traitor. Many still likely hold that belief.
Now this being said, what about the Gorsuch vote?
Gorsuch was *specifically* hired to be an originalist.
This means to ignore political expediency and public opinion, and to rely on the constitutionality of laws. And that is it.
Notice that he did not join with the liberal opinion, but wrote his own, concurrent opinion.
The SCOTUS decision.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/15-1498_1b8e.pdf
“JUSTICE GORSUCH, agreeing that the Immigration and Nationality Act provision at hand is unconstitutionally vague for the reasons identified in Johnson v. United States, concluded that the void for vagueness doctrine, at least properly conceived, serves as a faithful expression of ancient due process and separation of powers principles the Framers recognized as vital to ordered liberty under the Constitution. The Government’s argument that a less-than-fair-notice standard should apply where (as here) a person faces only civil, not criminal, consequences from a statute’s operation is unavailing. In the criminal context, the law generally must afford “ordinary people...fair notice of the conduct it punishes,” and it is hard to see how the Due Process Clause might often require any less than that in the civil context. Nor is there any good reason to single out civil deportation for assessment under the fair notice standard because of the special gravity of its penalty when so many civil laws impose so many similarly severe sanctions. Alternative approaches that do not concede the propriety of the categorical ordinary case analysis are more properly addressed in another case, involving either the Immigration and Nationality Act or another statute, where the parties have a chance to be heard.”
Bottom line: Gorsuch didn’t vote with the liberals. He voted with the constitution. The job he was hired to do. Republicans and conservatives were unified that we did not want just an ideologue on the court, but an originalist. The logic was that while an originalist will not always vote with you, they will vote for what is constitutionally right. So in the long run you will win, and win better than you would have with an ideologue.
I agree. They should spell out what is criminal for the purposes of that statute. I think Trump saw that...if I’m interpreting his later tweet correctly.
Likewise, some stores don’t want to sell guns to those under 21 because of their beliefs....bad.
Baker doesn’t want to sell gay cakes because of his beliefs...good.
We either want businesses to be allowed to follow their beliefs or we don’t.
And I have many guns, and I don’t want the Christian forced to violate his beliefs.
“Today’s Court decision means that Congress must close loopholes that block the removal of dangerous criminal aliens, including aggravated felons,” Trump tweeted. “This is a public safety crisis that can only be fixed by Congress — House and Senate must quickly pass a legislative fix to ensure violent criminal aliens can be removed from our society. Keep America Safe!”
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The headline is corrupt and 100% wrong.
All these interpretations of regulations and statutes are currently being used as a hammer to destroy Christians who hold traditional values. No statute was ever written to make transgenders a protected minority yet because the statutes are interpreted broadly they are used to hammer anyone who doesn’t bow down at the altar of political correctness.
Vague laws are a hammer used to rob people of liberty.
You have to read Gorsuch’s opinion carefully. He laid the groundwork for the dismantling of the deep state. The result was disappointing on the surface, but the ramifications are deep.
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