The "Open Question" On Vaccines and Autism

CBS News ^ | May 12, 2008 | Sharyl Attkisson

[CodeToad]

Kids being drugged for having the energy of a kid, and the lazy parent and teachers not wanting to provide supervision.

I can only imagine my parents cherishing the time I slept.

[Luircin]

Never, ever, EVER try to bring this up to an autistic person or an Aspie.

EVER.

Okay, that may be a little hyperbolic, but autists and aspies tend to think in very logical step by step manners, and the suggestion that people shouldn’t be vaccinated because it causes autism suggests, in their minds, that you’d rather that they die from a preventable disease than live with autism/Aspergers.

I mean, we get really pissy about women aborting Down Syndrome babies. It seems to me that this vaccination mess is very similar, except it only exposes the child to possible death instead of guaranteed death.

[Luircin]

See post 62.

The problem I have is that if we object to a woman aborting a Down Syndrome child, it seems a little hypocritical to potentially expose a child to deadly and disfiguring diseases in the name of health care. Only difference is potential death vs. guaranteed death.

[SgtHooper]

No one is denying autism. They are denying the prevalence of autism. It doesn’t make sense given what we know from our distant past, and the leftist BS political correctness climate intertwined with greed and selfishness. There is so much of everything nowadays, and it doesn’t add up!

[Magnatron]

Autism isn’t caused by vaccines. In my opinion, the increase in autism is directly related to the increased use of antidepressants, especially in women...

...and the pharma companies are happy for us to believe otherwise to keep the focus off of their cash cow

[Paperpusher]

The fact is that Polio was on the decline before Salk came along

Yes, yes it was because The 1952 U.S. epidemic (just before the 1955 introduction of the vaccine) was the worst outbreak in the nation’s history, MASSIVELY more than any other years outbreak. Just going back to normal looked like a decrease.

[Mears]

“Perception is not the same as statistics”

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Agreed,but where are the statistics showing that polio was on the wane?

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[BereanBrain]

Polio was in worldwide decline since the early 1900s with occasion outbreaks....If what I say is true, why?

Because there is only 1 way to get polio, as nasty as it sounds. It comes from feces. The live virus is shed through the intestinal tract, and passes out in feces. This is the way it spreads.

Now, think about what occurred at the beginning of the 20th century in terms of sanitation. Flush Toilets, Sanitary sewers, etc. The potential for exposure dropped.

https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-jonas-salk-and-the-polio-vaccine

https://www.sciencehistory.org/historical-profile/jonas-salk-and-albert-bruce-sabin

The idea that a virus that causes neurological damage (paralysis) could have a side-effect on neurological function should not be dismissed as Hoax, UNTIL and UNLESS proper research (double blind) has been conducted.

Nobody has conducted it, so this is why the controversy continues....

[freedumb2003]

>>Child affected personal experience here

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Anecdotes are not proof.

[Mears]

It is also contagious——very important.

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[silverleaf]

Well if you want to be an aspergers caretaker let me know
Shifts are available

[logi_cal869]

And just like the heart disease, pain med, autism, preterm birth and all the other "epidemics" no one asks why. I do not assert that vaccines are bad; thus do not make the terminal error of libs and label me an anti-vaxxer. My assertion is that human activity can make people more susceptible to health threats in our biosphere...against the sheer number of which it is not possible to be vaccinated. I also believe that the current vaccine schedule is recklessly harmful for the sake of convenience, at least in part responsible for many complications I'm not going to address here.

@ old curmudgeon: You adults in the 50s didn't know then that you were being played. One modern example of what began in the 50s and later exploded due to reckless expediency: Many today still believe that fat is bad. Give me a break. Open up the mind or don't. Your choice, but facts are facts.

@ oh8eleven: "Baby boomers?" I think not. That means the rate per 100,000 would remain flat corresponding to population growth; it did not. See below. What happened in the early & mid-20th century? I know; look it up.

I've researched the matter and it is clear that people are appallingly-ignorant of one simple fact: We survive in a hostile environment because of our biology and despite our actions to the contrary. In the very early 20th century the "big city" drinking water problem was addressed (I will not use the word solved), but we were poisoning ourselves and still-ignorant to this day about the truth of the matter. Human actions greatly-compromised human health in the 20th century and we were later told it was "natural."

Total BS. Arguing that compromising public health is progress is...well, quite progressive. A comprehensive review of medicine, science & education is long overdue. I personally fault lack of leadership. Since this POTUS has so much on his plate, I do not expect anything to change in the next 20 years or in my lifetime...a pathetic footnote for those who have grandchildren.

@ Mears: If you all want to know the truth, pull the heads out and use that tool in front of you. My chapter on vaccines is a mere snapshot into the reality of the failings of our medical and scientific institutions and if we cannot rely on open-minded Conservatives to undo a century of damage not just to our government, but to education, medicine & science alike...

...then we are doomed.

[freedumb2003]

>>Well if you want to be an aspergers caretaker let me know
Shifts are available<<

A non-sequitur is not a response.

[Hugin]

Using that logic it’s clear that mothers using cellphones causes autism.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Using that logic it’s clear that mothers using cellphones causes autism.

It isn't logic and doesn't prove anything. It is an observation that bears research.

No one has any idea what being assaulted with 5-10 vaccines at one time does to a child.

[hinckley buzzard]

Ten year old article is not very persuasive, given the abundance of research since then. There still is no evidence that “vaccines cause autism.”

[Yooper patriot]

As a parent of an autistic child, the nasty, caustic replies and reliving my son’s reaction to his vaccination literally brought me to tears.
My wife and I are professionals both with multiple degrees. We don’t use drugs, and my wife was alcohol free the entire pregnancy. I was suspicious of vaccines prior to the time of my son’s birth, but we were bullied by the doctor into accepting them. He was a little over 3 YO, and was given the shots for multiple vaccines all at once. His reaction was immediate, by the time he got home his temp was 106. A swift call to the doctor and we were told to treat him for the temperature and seek help Monday if still elevated.(This was Friday afternoon.)
He never recovered, and in fact his development regressed. We have before and after pictures where the terrible changes are plain to see in his face.
He is now 16, and partially verbal, but he can never be independent. We have nearly bankrupted ourselves trying to get him help, including moving 500 miles to get to where there were additional services.
He receives a whopping $221 a month from the state for the last 3 years, and it ends when he turns 18 or can’t go to school. He will never work, earn a degree, have his own family, his own home, or a drivers license. It has been devastating for the entire family.
Because we were not on welfare, he could not get the treatment he needed that was available if we had been, and it was unavailable for purchase until recently.
Anyway, this is our personal experience.

[BobL]

Sorry to hear that. Obviously I wouldn’t lump it in with the WPA comment...scary stuff.

[StolarStorm]

Ok, here is a possible answer. Autism is likely caused by an autoimmune issue. Most people with autism have leaky gut syndrome, celiac or some other autoimmune issue. I would suspect that one has to have a preexisting susceptibility that "could" be triggered by a vaccine. Other immune altering triggers could also cause autism to express itself.

For myself, my autism symptoms DID begin after I had a very severe reaction to an MMR vaccination (have scars on my arm). That said, I would probably have been on the autism spectrum anyway ... once exposed to any severe viral infection. I've improved over the years but I've had setbacks after severe flu episodes and so forth. I also have several autoimmune issues.

As with with most medical problems, autism has a mix of causes, triggers and unique genetics of the individuals affected.

[Cronos]

There’s also the risk of vaccination versus no-vaccination. Anyone remember the days before vaccinations? When kids died left right and center or were debilitated by polio?