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Toronto van attack: Calm actions of police stun US
BBC News ^ | 24th April 2018 | BBC News

Posted on 04/24/2018 4:22:37 PM PDT by Ennis85

The calm actions of a police officer who arrested the Toronto van suspect without firing a shot have prompted praise and, in some quarters, astonishment.

Video from the scene shows suspect Alek Minassian pointing an object at the officer and shouting: "Kill me!"

The officer tells the man to "get down" and when the suspect says he has a gun, the officer repeats: "I don't care. Get down."

Videos on social media show Mr Minassian lying down as the officer arrests him.

Many in North America are asking how the suspect did not end up dead in a hail of police gunfire. It contrasts with incidents in the US where police have shot and killed unarmed people.

"Research has shown that Canadian police are reluctant users of deadly force," says Rick Parent, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University in Canada's British Columbia.

"An analysis of police shooting data over many years revealed, that in comparison to their American counterparts, Canadian police officers discharge their firearms far less, per capita than US police. However, like American police officers they take many risks in protecting the public."

One US-based academic told the BBC that the officer would have had a "duty" to kill the suspect, if the object he was pointing was a gun.

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders told journalists the officer had done a "fantastic job" to understand the "circumstance and environment" and get to a "peaceful resolution".

He said police in the city were "taught to use as little force as possible in any given situation".

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Mike McCormack, president of the Toronto Police Association, told the Globe and Mail newspaper that the officer was a "hero" and could have justified opening fire.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: minassian; police; shooting; suspect; toronto
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1 posted on 04/24/2018 4:22:37 PM PDT by Ennis85
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I guess the point being we don’t have enough dead cops in the last couple of years. Whats a few more?


2 posted on 04/24/2018 4:27:58 PM PDT by JoSixChip (He is Batman!)
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A lot depends on demographics. I imagine Canadian police are reluctant to use deadly force because they encounter Canadian criminals who are also reluctant to use deadly force. That works out to the benefit of both Cop and Crook.

In the US, police tend to encounter people with less emotional control, people with serious anger management issues, and people who are just too stupid to make any kind of rational decision. Dangerous people. US police need to worry about those folks. You never know what they might do.


3 posted on 04/24/2018 4:29:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Ennis85

What a crock. If the suspect had a gun and fired the officer could be dead. This has nothing to do with American cops shooting unarmed people. Glad they captured this maniac but he certainly didn’t deserve any gentle treatment.


4 posted on 04/24/2018 4:29:53 PM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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I don’t know about that. Surely the officer could have shot him first if he started to draw a gun.


5 posted on 04/24/2018 4:31:15 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Ennis85

He killed civilians, not cops. They don’t have to protect the public.


6 posted on 04/24/2018 4:32:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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The MURDERER said he had a gun. He was apprehended after he’d MURDERED a number of people. The only suspicion at this point is whether he did this for Satan’s mood god death cult warlord or not.

And a “cryptic” post has now been found.


7 posted on 04/24/2018 4:33:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Sounds like Canadian police need a more challenging type of criminal!


8 posted on 04/24/2018 4:34:16 PM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Ennis85

“Many in North America are asking how the suspect did not end up dead in a hail of police gunfire. It contrasts with incidents in the US where police have shot and killed unarmed people.”

Crock of anti-American shiite. How many incidents exactly were relevant to the situation? Each situation is diffent. And not “many’ are asking. This is why liberals tend to live in secure neighborhoods because they hate to go out and live amongst peasants they fantasize about...


9 posted on 04/24/2018 4:34:46 PM PDT by max americana (Fired libtard employees 9 consecutive times at every election since 08'. I hope all liberals die.)
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Ummm maybe because even from the grainy distant video it was obvious to me that it wasn’t a gun in the perps hand. The cop was 20 feet away and made the right call as many (not all) US Cops would have,


10 posted on 04/24/2018 4:34:52 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: a fool in paradise

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alek-minassian-cryptic-message-posted-on-toronto-van-suspects-facebook-page-2018-04-24/

Facebook has confirmed that a message that salutes a community college student who killed six people in 2014 was posted on an account belonging to Alek Minassian, the suspected driver in the Toronto van rampage. The post on Minassian’s now-deleted Facebook account salutes Elliot Rodger, who also wounded 13 in shooting and stabbing attacks near the University of California, Santa Barbara, four years ago.

The post called the killer the “Supreme Gentleman.” It also declared: “The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys!”

The 22-year-old Rodger had used the term “incel” — for involuntarily celibate — in online posts raging at women for rejecting him romantically. Like-minded people in internet forums sometimes use “Chad” and “Stacy” as dismissive slang for men and women with more robust sex lives.

Monday’s Facebook post mentions that “Private (Recruit) Minassian” is speaking.

Seemingly referring to the post at a press conference Tuesday afternoon, a police official described it as “cryptic,” and said the suspect used a rented van in the deadly incident Monday...


11 posted on 04/24/2018 4:34:52 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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The rule is simple - A police officer is not required to take a round before he uses deadly force. In my opinion, unless this officer knew the assailant had no firearm, he was extremely reckless and lucky to be alive after what he did. How many times would a scenario like this end with no one getting killed?


12 posted on 04/24/2018 4:35:14 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m not being flip, I’m genuinely curious. Are Canadian cops issued weapons loaded with live ammo? If the answer is not always, then maybe there’s another reason cops didn’t plug the perp.


13 posted on 04/24/2018 4:35:20 PM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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It boils down to demographics, as usual.

Unlike their American counterparts, Canadian officers aren't facing feral, violent, untamed animals.
 

14 posted on 04/24/2018 4:38:18 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: Ennis85

Language:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZezt_ADEY


15 posted on 04/24/2018 4:39:40 PM PDT by EEGator
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How in the world would the arrogant BBC know what stuns us and what doesn’t? And why is this even a story?


16 posted on 04/24/2018 4:39:46 PM PDT by The Deplorable Miss Lemon (If illegals are here to do the jobs Americans won't do why are so many illegals on welfare?)
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Let these same Canadian cops deal with some of our “feral yutes” for a few years and let’s count how many return to “old Canadian”

Hands only, please...


17 posted on 04/24/2018 4:40:55 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn’t.")
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Well it stunned this Canadian as well. I thought it was quite stupid. That police officer could just as easily wound up being the one lying on the ground.

Now we have to pay for this guy to be imprisoned, go to trial, have legal counsel, etc. etc. Who knows....with the buffoon we have in Ottawa the terrorist could very well get a cheque for $11 million for his troubles!


18 posted on 04/24/2018 4:47:13 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Ennis85

I would have sent him into the afterlife and not lost a bit of sleep.


19 posted on 04/24/2018 4:55:36 PM PDT by Salvavida
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Toronto van suspect shouted 'shoot me in the head' at police officer who is hailed a hero for not opening fire

It's pretty clear that no policeman was going to give the killer what he wanted.

If the perp kept his mouth shut he might have got his wish.

20 posted on 04/24/2018 4:55:54 PM PDT by x
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