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Minor crimes? In whose judgement? The Vietnam War ended 40 years ago how come these individuals are considered war refugees? They aren't refugees after all but illegal aliens who committed crimes while residing in our country.
1 posted on 04/30/2018 5:11:29 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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He has a husband...


2 posted on 04/30/2018 5:14:13 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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Bullsh8t, ain’t buying..........


3 posted on 04/30/2018 5:15:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Osius was appointed to his ambassadorship by Barack Obama.
Nuff said.


5 posted on 04/30/2018 5:17:18 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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Thank you, Mr. Ambassador. For leaving. Now we can get someone in that post that is line with our POTUS.


6 posted on 04/30/2018 5:18:06 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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“Resistance” continues, I see.

Smells of yellow stained journalism.


7 posted on 04/30/2018 5:21:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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We have more than enough nail salons.


8 posted on 04/30/2018 5:21:37 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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If they came as refugees from Vietnam decades ago, they would be citizens now, if they simply FOLLOWED THE PROCESS, as Vietnam has, or at least had, a huge exemption from standard immigration laws.

If they didn’t take advantage of that, then they were up to something else, or already broke our laws, so it’s hard to see a downside of Trump’s policy.


11 posted on 04/30/2018 5:24:40 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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“were war refugees who had established lives in the U.S. after fleeing the Vietnam War”

The guy is a liar.
Most from that era are all citizens by now.

There are still many new people coming here from Vietnam. To deliberately confuse the two groups is disgusting.


13 posted on 04/30/2018 5:28:14 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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“Sometimes for minor crimes?” Gang activity, I’m betting. Bye bye.


14 posted on 04/30/2018 5:29:13 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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The vast majority of the people targeted for deportation — sometimes for minor crimes — were war refugees who had established lives in the U.S. after fleeing the Vietnam War more than 40 years ago, Osius wrote in an essay this month for the American Foreign Service Association.

Why would a "war refugee" who has been in this country for 40 years not have already taken the necessary measures to become a U.S. citizen?

As far as I know, the United States does not deport its own citizens. That being the case, the people affected by the direction from the Trump administration would necessarily be non-citizens, which makes them eligible for deportation if/when they beak our laws. Also, since Vietnam is no longer considered an enemy, the status of "refugee" no longer applies to Vietnamese citizens residing in this country, right?

15 posted on 04/30/2018 5:29:18 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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Post 2 nails it.

WTF was a gay guy, doing as the American ambassador to Vietnam?

Vietnam is NOT the most gay-friendly place in the world.

Now I really like Vietnam. It is unlike any other place I have ever been. It is a very unique place.

(if you are on the right wavelength)

Vietnam is a lot different than I had expected, it is friendly to Americans, it has a completely non-racist population, it is interesting, and I like it there quite a bit.

But it is not a gay-oriented place.

At all.


17 posted on 04/30/2018 5:30:49 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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You can’t believe anything people say Trump said unless they have a direct, in context, and objective quote from Trump himself.


18 posted on 04/30/2018 5:30:49 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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It comes months after Vietnamese activists across the country, including many in the Bay Area, raised concerns that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was rounding up undocumented immigrants from Vietnam in unprecedented numbers that left communities shocked and fearful.

Run on sentence much?

19 posted on 04/30/2018 5:31:27 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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I won’t second guess Donald Trump and try to say what he should do. I have learned that only Trump knows what he should do but I do hope this one does not happen or is limited to felons. I know a man who was a real refugee. He came out on one of the boats and spent time in a camp in the Phillipines as a child. He is a hard worker and a valued employee at the shipyard here and is one of the higher paid men.I have tried to help him get his citizenship twice and he almost gets there but then gets in a bar fight and goes to jail for thirty days. I would hate to see him get sent back.


20 posted on 04/30/2018 5:32:06 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (r)
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Have they been in the USA more than 40 years or just that the Vietnam War was more than 40 years ago? The ambassador’s statement is unclear. If it is the former, why haven’t these people become US citizens during their more than 40 years here?


21 posted on 04/30/2018 5:32:39 AM PDT by Freee-dame (Best election ever!)
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The refugees that left Vietnam in the late 70s and early 80s were predominantly ethnic Chinese who were purged from Vietnam. Many do not even speak Vietnamese, but virtually all have become American in every way.


24 posted on 04/30/2018 5:37:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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I’m guessing this asshat resigned right before they tossed his sorry a$$!!!


25 posted on 04/30/2018 5:39:04 AM PDT by ontap
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Former ambassador to Vietnam: Trump wanted me to send back refugees

Vietnam war effectively ended in 1972, 46 years ago. I'm not buying refugee status. That would be like someone showing up in 1991 and claiming they were a WWII refugee

26 posted on 04/30/2018 5:39:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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“They aren’t refugees after all but illegal aliens who committed crimes while residing in our country. “

They are not illegal. They were admitted here as refugees after the Vietnam war ended and given legal refugee status here. Most arrived as “boat people” (Vietnamese who ESCAPED from Vietnam by boat) and many came from Vietnamese refugee camps in Thailand.

If (who has checked out the “8,000” claim) they could have been deported, they would have to have been legal residents (legal “Green Card” holders) who had not yet obtained citizenship, and who - at some time in the past - had broken some law, committing a felony.

Frankly, given why they - the Vietnamese - came to this country (many of who sided with the U.S. in the war), and with the millions of ILLEGALS in the country, I think it is poor use of ICE and other federal resources to go after such folks.

In fact, given the number of ILLEGALS in the country and prioritizing ICE and other resources they, ILLEGALS, should be 99.999999% of the priority.

I worry that DHS and ICE are boosting “deportation” numbers to impress a lot of non-thinking people - pulling in thousands of green card holders, while the numbers of ILLEGALS are not changing greatly. Makes news that some cheer but is not getting the most important job done - ILLEGALS.


29 posted on 04/30/2018 6:05:55 AM PDT by Wuli
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Nguyen said many of the Vietnamese immigrants with deportation orders came to the U.S. after the Vietnam War and no longer have ties to their home country.

“They are people who came here as refugees and who don’t really recognize the Vietnam that exists today as their country anymore,” she said.

If they have not taken the necessary steps to become U.S. citizens during their alleged 40+ years in this country, then they cannot claim they "no longer have ties to their home country". They most definitely have ties to Vietnam because they are still de facto citizens of Vietnam.

In my experience, the overwhelming majority of the legitimate war refugees who came to this country at the end of the Vietnam War were documented as they entered and were accepted as legal immigrants. And, the majority of those legal immigrants became U.S. citizens at the earliest possible date allowed.

I grew up in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I remember quite a number of families settling in that area during the time I was 8 to 12 years old, in the early to mid-1970s. I went to school with their children. Most of those kids loved this country more than did a lot of the spoiled, rich, white rich brats of liberal parentage with whom I also shared classrooms. Most of the Vietnamese kids with whom I went to school were hard-working and very intelligent - and even those who were not particularly smart were tenacious in their efforts to do well in school. And most of them were very eager to become United States citizens.

That is my experience with Vietnamese war refugees. I know my evidence is only anecdotal, but I simply do not believe that the "vast majority" of the people discussed in this story are legitimate refugees of the war in Vietnam. I'm sure some of them are, but some is a long way from "vast majority".

31 posted on 04/30/2018 6:07:13 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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