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How California’s LGBT Therapy Ban Could Ban Christianity Itself
The Federalist ^ | 05/05/2018 | Joy Pullmann

Posted on 05/06/2018 9:06:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Three-quarters of California’s state assembly supported a bill that has striking implications for American citizens’ first freedoms, in that state and nationally. It is ostensibly a ban on gay and transgender “conversion therapy,” but the bill’s vague and sweeping text could affect essentially every institution of every religion that affirms sexual complementarity.

We’re talking churches, schools, religious charities, summer camps — every forum that involves a financial transaction could be banned from allowing any discussion of basic doctrines of sexuality that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, among others, have held for thousands of years. We’re talking core doctrines of religions adhered to by billions of people being outlawed from discussion in any forum that involves money changing hands, possibly even houses of worship themselves.

I know that sounds outlandish, but that is a plain reading of the bill text. Let’s look at it.

The bill amends the state’s commercial fraud laws as follows:

The following unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or practices undertaken by any person in a transaction intended to result or that results in the sale or lease of goods or services to any consumer are unlawful:… Advertising, offering to engage in, or engaging in sexual orientation change efforts with an individual. (emphasis added)

So the bill would ban advertising or offering to engage in “sexual orientation change efforts.” The bill defines “Sexual orientation change efforts” as “any practices that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex” (emphasis added).

This reads like it could easily ban pastors, rabbis, and imams from preaching or counseling parishioners on same-sex attraction or desires to approximate the opposite sex. It clearly could also apply to a person who is paid to educate, exhort, and counsel parishioners on their faith simply stating what the Bible, Torah, or Koran, together with their respective theological traditions, teaches on human sexuality.

To state that something is authoritatively true and explain why and how, which are inherent functions of religious teaching, is an attempt to persuade people to believe it, and therefore live accordingly. That would apply to stating something like “God made humans male and female,” a direct quote from three different Bible passages (1, 2, 3), including the words of Christ himself.

That contradicts LGBT ideology that men and women are interchangeable. Saying so, presenting an alternative idea, could persuade people to live accordingly. The bill attempts to ban this. Thus, the bill seems to gag religious leaders from stating their own faith’s teachings so long as that leader is compensated for doing so.

I’m not the only one reading it that way. An Alliance Defending Freedom legal analysis gives these examples, among others, of activities the bill would ban:

• A bookstore (including online bookstores like Amazon) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society; and
• A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

“At its core, AB 2943 outlaws speech, whether offered by a licensed counselor, a best-selling author, or even a minister or religious leader,” ADF’s analysis says. The bill’s speech ban is triggered when money changes hands to facilitate the speech, which is why it’s an amendment to the state’s commercial fraud law. “AB 2943 labels such faith-driven activity as fraudulent and deceptive practices, subjecting anyone who engages in them to ruinous lawsuits, punitive damages, and attorneys’ fees,” the analysis says.

Essentially all U.S. clergy who adhere to the orthodox teachings of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism financially “transact” with their congregations to provide services such as preaching, teaching, and counseling. ADF notes the law the bill would modify “specifically commands that it be ‘liberally construed and applied.'” It also includes no religious exemption, which might mitigate some of these effects I’ve described (although it wouldn’t alleviate all). We’re talking essentially outlawing major religions here. Or, at least, forbidding people from practicing or even learning about a significant component of their own faith.

That is of course banning the faith entirely, because religions are a package deal. The entire point of a religion is to offer comprehensive ways of understanding and contextualizing the universe and our place in it. To ban part of it is to ban the whole. It’s like saying “We’re not banning math, only multiplication.” Okay, you aren’t free to do real math without the possibility of using multiplication.

If it would gag pastors, the bill would also gag employees of religious institutions such as schools, summer camps, churches, universities, daycares, hospitals, mental health clinics, conference and retreat centers, and poverty relief organizations. It would gag employees of non-religious institutions whose religion informs their work, as do many employees in foster care, counseling, mental health, education, and other social welfare fields. Any person or organization that takes money for services or goods and expresses an idea — even to willing listeners! — that could be construed as encouraging sexual orientation change would be liable for emotionally and financially devastating lawsuits.

When LGBT activists were pushing for legal recognition of same-sex relationships, they told us, “What we do in the bedroom has nothing to do with you.” We heard a lot about “love” and “tolerance.”

It’s impossible to square those promises with this bill — or disorienting innocent kindergarteners with the idea that boys can turn into girls, or using government force to ruin the private businesses of religious believers for not wanting to participate in acts their deepest beliefs condemn, or insisting HIV-positive people have no legal obligation to disclose that fact when they risk transmitting that disease to non-consenting people, or shutting down organizations that help orphans find homes, or pushing to mutilate minors‘ natural and healthy body parts, or hounding an onscreen prostitute into suicide for not wanting to participate in gay sex.

The LGBT movement keeps telling us they want nothing more than to coexist with the same freedoms we all have. They want “equality.” But it looks like that really means severely curtailing our freedoms into some activists’ view of an extremely limited way of life that precludes deep and old religious understandings of the world. It looks like their version of “equality” means “equally limited, micromanaged, harassed, afraid, and coerced by a narrow, uniform vision of existence controlled by people with big axes to grind.”

Joy Pullmann is executive editor of The Federalist and author of "The Education Invasion: How Common Core Fights Parents for Control of American Kids," out from Encounter Books in 2017. Get it on Amazon.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ac; california; gays; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lavendermafia; lgbt; persecution; sensitivestasi; therapy
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1 posted on 05/06/2018 9:06:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How constitutional can this ban be? I realize that the Constitution is little more than buttwipe to liberals, but to pass a law forbidding people from choosing a certain therapy, or even speaking about it? There’s no way it will pass constitutional muster, so it’s nothing more than perversion-signalling of the lowest order.


2 posted on 05/06/2018 9:08:11 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok so sexual orientation is supposedly just set, and trying to change it needs to be banned...but changing ones actual sex is healthy and should be subsudised?


3 posted on 05/06/2018 9:11:15 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: SeekAndFind

California serves as a reminder what the rest of the country would have been like if Hillary succeeded in stealing the election through her Russia collusion.


4 posted on 05/06/2018 9:11:47 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Vox populi, vox dei)
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To: SeekAndFind

California accepts many things except the cure and truth.


5 posted on 05/06/2018 9:20:52 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“How California’s LGBT Therapy Ban Could Ban Christianity Itself”

Nobody could possibly believe that.

It won’t survive its first STATE court challenge.


6 posted on 05/06/2018 9:21:07 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whether or not this bill makes it through, the goal for the people behind it is to eliminate religion, specifically Christianity. They will relentlessly continue that pursuit, through one of their phony “compassion” bills.


7 posted on 05/06/2018 9:27:56 AM PDT by robel
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m wondering about this. Wouldn’t it cut both ways? Conversion therapy is outlawed because it seeks co change individual views on sexual orientation. Would not sex ed classes in school that highlights a gay lifestyle or sex be seen as trying to change an individual’s view on sex? I’m just sayin’.


8 posted on 05/06/2018 9:36:09 AM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: SeekAndFind

How California’s LGBT Therapy Ban Could Ban Islam Itself


9 posted on 05/06/2018 9:36:43 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m rooting for the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ Community.

Taken to its logical conclusion, we’ll eventually get back to Individualism (Thank you, Dr. Peterson.)


10 posted on 05/06/2018 9:38:29 AM PDT by Makana (“We have met the enemy and he is us." - W. Kelly)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone needs to come up with a bill with the following language: “...This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the OPPOSITE sex.”


11 posted on 05/06/2018 10:30:36 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Captain Compassion

What you said.


12 posted on 05/06/2018 10:31:04 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: SeekAndFind

“...Could Ban Christianity Itself”
Remove “could” and you have it. That is precisely their intention! To eliminate the Bible, Christianity, and their influence on the laws of the country.

Strangely, they have no problem with the kooooran, and muzzism.


13 posted on 05/06/2018 10:59:25 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: Makana

Anything that goes through insanity isn’t a road we need to be on.


14 posted on 05/06/2018 12:02:51 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

The usual homoFascists are spewing their filth at the Federalist site comments section, but the regular readers are holding their own.

What I posted there, I’ll post here. To know what the homoFasicsts want to do, listen to what they assure us that they’d NEVER do.


15 posted on 05/06/2018 1:50:14 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


16 posted on 05/06/2018 2:03:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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Pulse survivor, others gather to celebrate ‘freedom’ from being gay
Chandelis R. Duster
16 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pulse-survivor-others-gather-to-celebrate-freedom-from-being-gay/ar-AAwO37r?li=BBnb7Kz


17 posted on 05/06/2018 2:11:11 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: eyeamok

Nope. Exception to rule.


18 posted on 05/06/2018 5:41:20 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: fwdude

Bingo.


19 posted on 05/06/2018 5:44:55 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: SeekAndFind

Heterosexual Monogamy: Horse.

Traditional Marriage: Cart.

Heterosexual monogamy is intrinsically natural: mono + gamete. A woman can choose to have sex with fifty men in an orgy. If she conceives a child, it will not have fifty fathers via fifty contributing sperm.

There is no such thing as homosexuality; it is homoeroticism. There is no functional sexuality between two members of the same sex.


20 posted on 05/06/2018 5:51:00 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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