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‘Bigger Than Watergate’? Both Sides Say Yes, but for Different Reasons
nytimes ^ | 05/17/2018 | Peter Baker

Posted on 05/18/2018 5:35:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: gibsonguy

“NYT floods the zone to obscure and protect Obongo’s gang. Something to behold, “the paper of record” nothing but Rat propaganda tool.”

As Mark Levin frequently says, “the paper that hid the Holocaust”.


21 posted on 05/18/2018 6:17:59 AM PDT by Antipolitico
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Unless there are actual prosecutions of the culpable parties, Comey etc. then they can claim this is just a conspiracy theory. Simple as that.


22 posted on 05/18/2018 6:23:27 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Hyman Roth

Another thing the lying left refuses to acknowledge: Trump is under a huge prosecutorial microscope. If any of his so called scandals actually broke the law, Mueller would have walked him to the gallows. Done and done, yet he has virtually given up.

These Cohen leaks and these accusations are all sloppy seconds, Mueller went through all of it and has no crime.

Whatever they accuse Trump of is false, because if it were real Mueller would have pounced and he hasn’t, because he can’t.


23 posted on 05/18/2018 6:25:40 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Obama Police State.


24 posted on 05/18/2018 6:36:33 AM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Obama Police State.


25 posted on 05/18/2018 6:36:34 AM PDT by maddogtiger
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Both parties colluding to violate the Constitution with the Kenyanesian Usurpation is WAY bigger than anything that has come before in history.


26 posted on 05/18/2018 6:37:13 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: pburgh01
Impeached and then what Mike Pense?

Everybody...including Bella Pelosi....knows that impeachment doesn't mean expulsion from office.The Rats in the House,with Speaker Bella Pelosi as their leader,will impeach simply because they can.They'll get Mad Maxine as their loudest voice and they'll watch the billions roll into their campaign coffers during the process.

They may hope that he'll resign.They'd surely expect him to take a hit in terms of popularity.But they know he won't be *expelled* from office.

27 posted on 05/18/2018 6:37:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: Gay State Conservative

I believe Trump won’t be impeached even if the Dems take the House...IF....and that’s a big IF....all of this ‘setup’ stuff comes out completely (I believe Mueller is there to run interference and delay on the criminal behavior evidence of obama DOJ/FBI as long as possible). The nuclear option for Trump is to declassify everything which then would expose the corrupt frame shenanigans of FBI and then the media and Dems can no longer control the Russia collusion narrative and it dies


28 posted on 05/18/2018 6:40:18 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: son of terrence; LS; vg0va3; NewHampshireDuo; Magnatron; Hyman Roth; pepsionice; Little Ray; ...
This is the biggest and most consequential political scandal in the history of this country.

It is an attempted coup, done with the active involvement and knowledge of the top levels of government, leading right up the the previous President, Barack Obama.

That fantasy of "Trump-Russia Collusion" is done. The New York Times published a lengthy article on Wednesday, 5/16/2018: "Code Name Crossfire Hurricane: The Secret Origins of the Trump Investigation". In this 4,100 word apologia written by (As Mark Levin rightly calls them) "The Holocaust-Denying New York Times" (or by Trump..."The Failing New York Times") is the most obvious and open indication that the Trump-Russia Collusion "Fairy Tale" is finished. It is "Dead Man Walking" right now, and there are only two groups of people who don't know it:

1.) Ill-informed people.

2.) Ideological bitter clingers who can't face the truth.

(Note that I didn't include stupid people as a category. They are simple subsets of one or the other two groups above.)

The fact that the New York Times wrote this lengthy piece, and specifically, the manner in which they wrote it, suggests that they know full well the fantasy is dead, and they are setting the table and doing damage control for the next phase of this.

If you read the New York Times Article, notice the exculpatory language to protect political appointees. The limiting of the scope of the people involved in and the people who knew of and supported the gross abuses of government. (These undercurrents in the article were pointed out quite well by Dan Bongino in his show yesterday)

Equally important, how the Media has handled this significant development which took place yesterday is illustrative, and serves to further delineate the battle lines, where they are drawn, and who is on which side. I don't watch television, but my wife does and she had the NBC Nightly News on, so I took the time to see how this important development regarding the "Paper of Record" would be handled by a major representative of the media...NBC.

It was disappointing, but not at all surprising. They had many teasers as the program opened, the volcano in Hawaii, the North Korean situation, TSA's new watch list, Lyme Disease, Swimming pool water issues, American birth rates, the Royal Wedding, Hawaii volcano erupts, the New Jersey school bus crash, two guys and their bucket list, and life-saving air ambulances hit patients with hefty medical bills.

That is it. There are times that you can tell exactly what is critical to an opponent by listening intently to hear what they don't say, and an enemy STUDIOUSLY AVOIDING something you know is important to them tells you volumes.

In that, I read that they know that house of cards has fallen, or is in the terminal phases of being completely collapsed. So we are leaving one phase (prosecuting Trump and his team for colluding with Russians) to the next phase, which is finding out the depth of the cancer in this egregious abuse of government power against an opposing political party, who was involved, and how they should be punished.

In Winston Churchill's famous "Finest Hour" speech, he says in his closing paragraph:

"What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

That can be translated to the current situation (with apologies to the great man, but thanks for his inspiration!):

What The Media called "Trump-Russia Collusion" is over. I expect that the battle for the future of our Republic, the United States of America, is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of the United States as a Christian civilization and Constitutional Republic. Upon it depends our own American way of life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our nation. The whole fury and might of the American Left and the Media must very soon be turned on us. They know that he will have to break us in this quest for truth or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Americans may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the "American Experiment", including many other parts of the world who have emulated it, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the United States and its Constitutional Republic last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

I mean by that, how our nation handles this. If we allow people involved (on both sides of the aisle who may be involved, as Freeper lurkinanloomin opines) to go unpublished, then it will be the same as England rolling over for the Nazis in 1940. We will stop being a Constitutional Republic, and become a Banana Republic. If we do not demand forcible and severe prosecution of these conspirators, we will give the green light to every form of open skulduggery and unpunished abuse of law in our political process, and will be begin the long goodbye to America, or at least grease that skid of the long goodbye on the road to open tyranny.

And I don't think it is engaging in unjustified histrionics to say that.

It may be true that our country could be doomed by the accumulated debt we have incurred, or some other cultural thing and not this. But if this is allowed to go unpunished, it will be the thing that will eventually corrode to destruction our governmental underpinnings and cause this country to fracture in ways that will be far more than cultural.

29 posted on 05/18/2018 7:08:27 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I think there's a major fallacy in focusing on the 2016 election without understanding the bigger part of the picture: *why* bad actors in intel community were so desperate to not have Trump elected. It's about what could be discovered about the past 10-20 years. Not just 2016. https://t.co/5DbziruLJN

— Sharyl Attkisson (@SharylAttkisson) May 18, 2018


30 posted on 05/18/2018 7:14:02 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: rlmorel

We left the Constitution behind on Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009 when not one of our appointed or elected would stand for the Constitution.
Barack Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and they ALL knew it.
There is simply no one (Trump excepted) in the District of Corruption who is not culpable for the Kenyanesian Usurpation.
Their culpability has been Obama and minions secret shield all along.


31 posted on 05/18/2018 7:31:43 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The NY Times: it looks like a newspaper but its not.

H/T Joe Dan


32 posted on 05/18/2018 8:11:48 AM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I hold out hope that we can reverse that...packing the courts at all levels with as many conservatives as we can (thanks to Leftist idiots who changed the confirmation rules to let Trump do it) may help.

I can’t help thinking we all share culpability for allowing that to happen in 2009.


33 posted on 05/18/2018 9:06:04 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: rlmorel

Knuckling under to the Alinski attacks of “birther” showed the cowardice of many.


34 posted on 05/18/2018 9:12:28 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Bratch

She is starting to hint at the Kenyanesian Usurpation and the illegal alien inundation.
Both were intentional.


35 posted on 05/18/2018 9:14:12 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

It could be more than that.

The entire chain of events that led to Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait was odd. The Iraqi dictator was given the impression that America would stand down in the event he attempted to expand his territory.

And consider the timing.

The United States reaction, coming on the heels of the collapse of the Soviet Union, provided a welcome boost to the military-industrial complex.


36 posted on 05/18/2018 9:26:38 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: rlmorel

You mention uninformed voters, and I think one of the decisions arrived at early was that there could not possibly be any “quick” arrests or indictments, that the public had to be thoroughly educated and slowly, methodically brought up to speed on this because in the end this is NOT a “criminal” investigation, but a “political” one.

By that I mean, as we saw with Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson’s non-convictions for CRIMES THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY AND CLEARLY GUILTY OF, the determination both in 1866 and 1998 was that the public really did not want a president removed for these crimes, even if they were crimes.

In the case of this coup, it is absolutely essential that the public understand what happened, what these criminals were trying to do, and why they must be punished-—and this must be accomplished WITHOUT the help of the fake news media.

So for over a year, Sessions & Horowitz have been methodically building cases, rolling out little bits like the McCabre OIG letter, now the new “demands” from Grassley (which is kabuki). All so the public can be slowly brought to understand what happened.


37 posted on 05/18/2018 6:19:31 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendix))
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To: LS

I can’t stress enough the importance of locating Huber in Utah instead of having this prosecuted in DC. With the 80% democrat jury pool from DC, NoVA and MD, all these peeps would walk away laughing and free.


38 posted on 05/18/2018 6:27:39 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Peeps = perps


39 posted on 05/18/2018 6:28:36 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: LS

I am onboard with that approach, and can play the long game. I find it a bit disappointing that there isn’t more support for letting it run its course, but that is human nature.

In this case, fortunately, as tangled and as complicated as it is...I think eventually they will be able to boil it down to a digestible explanation.

But boy, is there ever a lot of info, people and connections.


40 posted on 05/18/2018 6:31:49 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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